Popular Post tyler42 Posted July 9 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 9 4 hours ago, Teromaafan said: The major impact of a bigger league is the current reliance of riders on doubling up to make their money. Doing away with doubling up (which let’s face it has become an uncontrollable monster) will significantly diminish UK earning potential. Even in a bigger league with more teams, there will be fewer meetings overall than current double uppers rely onto earn a crust. Quite a few riders might then have to decide if they can make the sport pay and possibly consider calling it a day. The obvious rider shortage potentially then gets even worse! It's simple really. Ride speedway and get a job. There is not enough people coming through the gate to class it as a full time job. Reality has to hit with the riders. They've had to good for too long and look where its got us! Year after year one less club.The day they introduced d/u was the finish of speedway. Not only in pandering to the riders, but also the credibility of the sport, but then again there wasn't much credibility left!!!! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 One league definitely yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: One league definitely yes How many teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, 1 valve said: How many teams? Ipswich Belle Vue Kings Lynn Oxford Glasgow Edinburgh Sheffield Scunthorpe Poole Leicester Berwick Redcar For a starter then question marks over Workington and Plymouth may fancy the national league (whatever format it might be) 5 Man teams would need 60 riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 I hope so, 5 Man Teams with cheaper prices is the only way forward, Maybe still get some Ekstraliga 2 Riders over here but no GP boys or riders like Sayfutdinov, Janowski etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 32 minutes ago, therefused said: Ipswich Belle Vue Kings Lynn Oxford Glasgow Edinburgh Sheffield Scunthorpe Poole Leicester Berwick Redcar For a starter then question marks over Workington and Plymouth may fancy the national league (whatever format it might be) 5 Man teams would need 60 riders Would have to be 1 home and 1 away though - 22 fixtures each is plenty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 5 minutes ago, TTT said: I hope so, 5 Man Teams with cheaper prices is the only way forward, Maybe still get some Ekstraliga 2 Riders over here but no GP boys or riders like Sayfutdinov, Janowski etc. "Cheaper prices" - get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 Not my idea, somebody thought about north/south divide. Then 2 semis and a final at the end of the season to decide the winner. Keeping the koc involing all teams. Grand final at Belle Vue. My idea, league riders championship over 3 rounds, 3 different tracks.(mini grand pris thing) Still the problem of not enough riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, BuxtonTiger said: "Cheaper prices" - get real. They've got no choice if it's a weaker product. If fans aren't paying £20+ to watch GP/Ekstraliga riders then they certainly won't pay £20+ to watch a league meeting that features none of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 10 minutes ago, TTT said: They've got no choice if it's a weaker product. If fans aren't paying £20+ to watch GP/Ekstraliga riders then they certainly won't pay £20+ to watch a league meeting that features none of them. The Championship already charges £20+ without those riders so not too much hope of a reduction. I don't think price is necessarily the issue, it's about perceived value for money 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieboyDon Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 (edited) 8 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Do they not have people sitting in the restaurant as well though ? Yes they do. And there was at least 1200 there so all good. Edited July 9 by WookieboyDon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 (edited) If there are no "top riders" then those tracks, now once again used to having them, wiill get hit at the turnstiles... However, if there are still "top riders" (max one per track), then that might work to increase crowds at the Div 2 tracks who haven't seen them for a while, and could maybe keep attendances OK at the current Div 1 tracks who have them.. If it is a 12 team league with 60 riders then clubs should also get some extra riders signed up using a similar contract to the "Warsaw" one used in Poland.. Meaning instead of guests they can bring in riders open to doing "some matches", subject to averages allowing them to slot in.. The big danger of one league is guestfest after guestfesf, particularly at weekends, when Poland kicks in, and Wednesdays with Denmark impacting Poole... If there is still so little credibility in the competition then the devaluing of it will inevitably hit attendances like it does now.. I think the TV deal is in its last year so maybe no coverage next season other than club streaming and BSN? Which, if correct, won't be a bad thing attendance wise I would think.. Let's be honest, UK Speedway hasn't used TV coverage well over the past two decades has it? With it being one of the very few sports with 1000's of hours coverage that hasn't improved attendances or increased its reach and profile. A embarrassing shambles to be honest given the 100's of two hour "free adverts" it has been given.. The Aces I would think would revert back to Friday or even Saturday, as, even if guestfests, those nights would still bring more in to watch the great racing on offer I would suggest, especially as the sport has now made so many "generic" fans, who attend for the racing rather than the bona fide nature of the event itself.. The price point has to be around £15 to £20 max and maybe each away track gets given 100 free tickets to see if some much needed "tribal atmosphere" could get created? Subsidising Supporters Clubs coaches could also help get the away fans to tracks... Something drastic certainly needs to be done of that there is no doubt, (and should have been done at least a decade ago), so let's hope they come up with the right plan which delivers a competitive league, that also has the required credibility to make the competition itself have a bona fide status, so it's actually worth winning... And, therefore, attending.... One thing is definite. Doing the "same old, same old" Mickey Mouse team structure nonsense, and still having the same amount of "dodgy call offs", won't improve things one iota... Edited July 9 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 No to one league. It isn’t going to work. Riders won’t be available or enough of them, certain race nights for better crowds but other track can only be used during the week because of stock cars. You won’t have part time riders who will have to choose work around race days / nights. They just need to improve their promotion of this current set up and ACTUALLY promote it properly and add a class of professionalism to the way it’s run. Watching John down the road who has a speedway bike at foxhall on a Thursday night for £20 vs watching Emil Doyle Brennan etc for £24 isn’t a step forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 Think the sport needs to drop a level sadly. It's great to watch likes of the Holders, Woffy, Doyle, Kurtz and Sayfutdinov, but they're sadly few and far between that do want to ride in gb. I think the time has come to stop competing with the Polish top league. The money is just completely incomparable- when youve got Doyle reporting to have made over £40k from one meeting in Poland how can you expect anyone to risk it all to come ride over here? It makes no sense to. The sport needs to make it a more viable option even that means you cater more for the mid end riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 43 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: No to one league. It isn’t going to work. Riders won’t be available or enough of them, certain race nights for better crowds but other track can only be used during the week because of stock cars. You won’t have part time riders who will have to choose work around race days / nights. They just need to improve their promotion of this current set up and ACTUALLY promote it properly and add a class of professionalism to the way it’s run. Watching John down the road who has a speedway bike at foxhall on a Thursday night for £20 vs watching Emil Doyle Brennan etc for £24 isn’t a step forward. How you gonna do it with 5 teams then? Gotta ask yourself why no one wants to move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, WookieboyDon said: Yes they do. And there was at least 1200 there so all good. Also it was on telly, so probably fewer than a normal meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 I can only speak for myself of course, but I would be happier with 5 man teams and one league. I've never really cared if the top stars are riding, it's not the names that make me watch speedway, it's the atmosphere, noise, chaos and racing. I don't care if it's Bartosz Zmarzlik and Brady Kurtz racing or Simon Lambert and Drew Kemp. You make your own stars of the riders you watch. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 13 hours ago, 1 valve said: That’s what there is now. Yes but with a 11 or 12 team league 2 home 2 away riders would have 40+ meetings.Run over any night of the week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 13 hours ago, 1 valve said: That’s what there is now. In a bigger league of say 12 though,that would give each team 44 matches without any cup matches.There is currently only 24 league matches in the elite league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 Sure, have 1 league, at Championship level. But it will need to be divided into 2 divisions (eg, north and south), with riders able to double up across the 2 divisions. The BSPL have already introduced this in principle with the NDL/NDT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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