FishersGate Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago A five team league would certainly lose me and many other supporters at Leicester. Most of us were quite content in the championship anyways.. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago The Premier League has been heading along a dead-end, one-way street for many years, and it might have finally hit the buffers at the end of it. And maybe it hasn't just yet, and unbeknown to us a rabbit might have been pulled out of the hat, about to be revealed. If not, a very creative, out of the box solution will be needed, otherwise where will those 5 surviving clubs go, presuming they wish to continue. Would be very strange for two GP rounds to be staged at a venue no longer home to league racing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 16 minutes ago, TigerIain said: if the Premiership fails and wants to join the Championship, then the existing Championship clubs get the first 9 licences, and then it's a bun fight between the 5 Premiership clubs for whatever licences are left Not how it works at all. All 14 clubs are equal members of the BSPL. There aren't 2 different organisations with different memberships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 14 minutes ago, TigerIain said: There is no easy way to do that, but since you asked the question, if the Premiership fails and wants to join the Championship, then the existing Championship clubs get the first 9 licences, and then it's a bun fight between the 5 Premiership clubs for whatever licences are left that can be accommodate in the league (although Ipswich have said that they wouldn't run). Ideally all 14 clubs would run but I can't see that happening as there isn't enough riders. A large part of the Premiership failing is too few teams hoarding the top riders in the league. Maybe the reasons behind that are taken into account when licence 10 onwards are given out? It's all a mess, but I still hope that a 6th team magically appears from the ashes and signs Robert Lambert and a Lindgren or Thorsell (really anyone/someone with a proven record in the UK as a proper heat leader) to lead them but sadly it's not looking promising Why should the current Championshio 9 get the first 9? It would defacto become GBs top league and so it should be the 9 top clubs Your solution for example would/could see the current Champions who attracted an attendance of over 6000 to the play off final and regularly attract 2000 told they have to run at NDL level There is not a single other club in the whole of the land that can even accommodate that number let alone attract it - the vast majority couldn't even accommodate the lower figure! And it's the Premiership clubs being selfish they say...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago Ipswich dont take 2000 followers to away matches. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, 1 valve said: No point in posting your inside rumor is there. This whole forum is based on free thinking, rumor's conjecture and opinion. so why not spill the beans on the latest rumor. Firstly just let me say I’m disgusted at the way the public is being treated by the bspl, I won't say this particular rumour because it betrays the trust of those at the coal face so to speak and they will know where it came from and wouldn’t tell me anything else, I also like to see if anyone else has heard anything along the same lines on here ,once something becomes public knowledge then I’m ok with it, what if the rumours are not true ? It spreads like wildfire and people end up with egg on their face Edited 4 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, gjcone44 said: Ipswich dont take 2000 followers to away matches. I'd wager that for a number of away matches even in the last few years they have taken greater numbers than the total standard attendance at say Scunny,Plymouth and Workington...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Let's be honest... The sport is proper "Donald Ducked" isnt it? Decades of using Guests at the drop of a hat, so riders got more meetings, rather than finding a way NOT to use them, and thus hugely negatively impacting the credibility of its own competitions, and making Doubling Up a fundamental part of the operating model, has resulted in too many ageing riders, with too many jobs, and not enough riders being developed to allow squad systems and "one rider, one team"... Whatever sticking plasters they apply (yet again), will then need to be removed, and something else then applied next year when/if Poland kick in their one extra league rule... The chickens have definitely come home to roost... Edited 4 hours ago by mikebv 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: Let's be honest... The sport is proper "Donald Ducked" isnt it? Decades of using Guests at the drop of a hat, so riders got more meetings, rather than finding a way NOT to use them, and making Doubling Up a fundamental part of the operating model, has resulted in too many ageing riders, with too many jobs, and not enough riders being developed to allow squad systems and "one rider, one team"... Whatever sticking plasters they apply (yet again), will then need to be removed, and something else then applied next year when/if Poland kick in their one extra league rule... The chickens have definitely come home to roost... It doesn’t look good and I don’t think we have hit the bottom of the barrel yet, maybe the bspl will realise the error of their ways, or maybe not 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Firstly just let me say I’m disgusted at the way the public is being treated. I won't say this particular rumour because it betrays the trust of those at the coal face so to speak and they will know where it came from and wouldn’t tell me anything else, I also like to see if anyone else has heard anything along the same lines on here ,once something becomes public knowledge then I’m ok with it, what if the rumours are not true ? It spreads like wildfire and people end up with egg on their face The only rumour I've heard of late is the one posted on the Ipswich thread There have been quite a few before that but nothing that has proven to be true.....yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 31 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: Not how it works at all. All 14 clubs are equal members of the BSPL. There aren't 2 different organisations with different memberships. Perhaps if there is a complete breakdown the current Premiership clubs should accept the loss of the top line/Polish bound riders and use the cash saved to offer the likes of Lawson,Wright,King,Harris,Nicholls Thompson etc exclusive non doubling up contracts..... It's certainly possible - at least for 1 season anyway if a point of principle needed to be forced Ridiculous? Yes! But no more so than whats already being played out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, FishersGate said: A five team league would certainly lose me and many other supporters at Leicester. Most of us were quite content in the championship anyways.. To be honest mate I think it will lose everyone, nobody wants it except it seems a couple of promotions Edited 4 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 56 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: Not how it works at all. All 14 clubs are equal members of the BSPL. There aren't 2 different organisations with different memberships. Except some are more equal than others Edited 4 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago PREM doesn't work (I'll admit) but it slows the death process down considerably. CHAMP can't operate at all in it's current format and it's heavily reliant on the D/UP scheme and British Speedway can't afford to scrap that scheme due to Rider Availbility and the 2027 Polish Rule. NDL attendances are abysmal due to a severe lack of interest in the prodcut, So the BSPL can't put faith in a CHAMP/NDL merger to save the day. If the BSPL want to get as many years as possible out of the Sport in the UK then a sacrificial lamb has to be caught in order to keep the Two Tier Structure and the Rider Sharing D/UP Scheme. If they're not worried about getting as many years as possible out of the Sport in the UK, Then sack off the PREM and start the downfall in 2026 and wait for the Polish 2027 Rule to finish us off entirely. A decision will have to be made soon because this can't continue to drag on for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 5 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: To be honest mate I think it will lose everyone, nobody wants it except it seems a couple of promotions But why? Is it down to what sponsorship they will lose if not in the Premiership?... As I truly cannot see any reason why they would want to keep clinging to the edge of the cliff by their fingertips... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, mikebv said: But why? Is it down to what sponsorship they will lose if not in the Premiership?... As I truly cannot see any reason why they would want to keep clinging to the edge of the cliff by their fingertips... Exactly the way Mike lemon was talking in the star last week was like his life depended on the premier league, no matter what or how delusional it is it’s got to happen, I think if you had a piece of land at the back of your garden they would call you up to see if you could be the 6th team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Logic says.....Sacrifice Poole. I'm not being nasty here so please don't take this the wrong way. Osborne has them lined-up so Poole don't have a long term future to risk. Any talk of a new Stadium is just that because we've heard it all before. Wednesday Night excuse shouldn't be given the time of Day because of the Osborne situation and the fact that Wednesday Night Club Oxford have already put British Speedway First. The only real stumbling block is finances but surely a compromise can be met with PREM Clubs chipping in to help out financially? It'll basically be a case of put British Speedway first on your way out, Bide us some time and we'll return the favour by making sure that you break even financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Thing is, having read most of this thread, absolutely everyone's ideas are right. Everything & anything would work. The Big League, 2 leagues, 5-6-7 man teams, it's can all work. The problem?!? It's all doomed to fail regardless of the January outcome, simply because every single club is self-serving. None of the promoters have any inclination to have a 'All Together' 10 year plan. Any idea get squashed because the teams that swim around the bottom of the pond always throws their toys out the pram eventually & all plans gets scrapped. Unity is a must for anything to have sustainability. For me, if 'The Big League' was to come to fruition, averages need to be scrapped & all teams build sides to their means. If a side can have Zmarzlik, Lambert & Lindgren as a top 3, then so be it. It would be terrific for the fans when they travel away. If another team can only afford Masters, Batchelor & Morris as a top 3, then again, so be it. Have teams built to what clubs deem fit for themselves, not to what everyone else deems they "Can't Have." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 25 minutes ago, TTT said: Logic says.....Sacrifice Poole. I'm not being nasty here so please don't take this the wrong way. Osborne has them lined-up so Poole don't have a long term future to risk. Any talk of a new Stadium is just that because we've heard it all before. Wednesday Night excuse shouldn't be given the time of Day because of the Osborne situation and the fact that Wednesday Night Club Oxford have already put British Speedway First. The only real stumbling block is finances but surely a compromise can be met with PREM Clubs chipping in to help out financially? It'll basically be a case of put British Speedway first on your way out, Bide us some time and we'll return the favour by making sure that you break even financially. I do get your arguement TTT but if you were Poole you would most likely want 100k passed over upfront or put in a bank account controlled by someone other than the bspa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago If the Premiership are so concerned about having 6 teams in 2026, then why not contact Isle of Wight or Mildenhall. Surely if the desperation level is so high, then subsidizing either for a season would be worth the long term goal 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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