Fromafar Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 26 minutes ago, The White Knight said: Could the same argument not be applied to Poole? It’s not even an argument . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It’s not even an argument . Nor should it be. I only mentioned it because of a ridiculous Post saying that Glasgow should be forced to go up to the Premier League. You cannot do that with independent businesses, which is essentially what each Club in Speedway is. The Premier League, sadly, has for a long time been the be all and end all of Speedway. This is wrong, the so called Top League needs to get it's own house in order, and not rely on being propped up by the Championship. That is how I feel anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 13 minutes ago, The White Knight said: Nor should it be. I only mentioned it because of a ridiculous Post saying that Glasgow should be forced to go up to the Premier League. You cannot do that with independent businesses, which is essentially what each Club in Speedway is. The Premier League, sadly, has for a long time been the be all and end all of Speedway. This is wrong, the so called Top League needs to get it's own house in order, and not rely on being propped up by the Championship. That is how I feel anyway. Ultimately though... They prop up each other... If no top tier existed then the Championship teams would need to lay out more to cover the shortfall to the riders who are no longer riding in two leagues.. And it would need to be a fair few quid too... Edited 6 hours ago by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, The White Knight said: Could the same argument not be applied to Poole? No it couldn't, we don't own our stadium and we don't have the money Glasgow have, I would love to be back in the Premiership but it is not viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago Sense of entitlement from certain Championship clubs, They need to serve the Premiership because the Premiership is British Speedway. Certain Championship clubs are waiting for the Premiership to collapse and end up in one big league mostly full of journeymen and out of depth NDL riders and Championship Promoters seem to think that everything will work out perfectly for them when it won't. Current Championship No.1's & Certain No.5's would have offers galore and promoters will have to pay much more money for them during a bidding war because every one of them would demand much more money as they'll need to cover some of the losses from only having one British team place instead of the usual two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mgas Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: No it couldn't, we don't own our stadium and we don't have the money Glasgow have, I would love to be back in the Premiership but it is not viable. Again I don’t think singling out one business for being successful and exposing financial risk upon them would be legal. If one club is going to be forced into anything. Every club would have to be given the same “ultimatum” British speedway is in a very difficult position but it isn’t for one or two clubs to fix it Edited 3 hours ago by Mgas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, TTT said: Sense of entitlement from certain Championship clubs, They need to serve the Premiership because the Premiership is British Speedway. Certain Championship clubs are waiting for the Premiership to collapse and end up in one big league mostly full of journeymen and out of depth NDL riders and Championship Promoters seem to think that everything will work out perfectly for them when it won't. Current Championship No.1's & Certain No.5's would have offers galore and promoters will have to pay much more money for them during a bidding war because every one of them would demand much more money as they'll need to cover some of the losses from only having one British team place instead of the usual two. Can't agree that there's a need for the Championship to "serve" the Premiership. Both leagues are equally reliant on each other to prosper, it isn't a one-way thing. Your last point is sadly an indictment of the situation we've sleepwalked into. If the riders are demanding twice the money due to only having one team place: good for them. Equally, the clubs are justified in only offering what they're happy to pay. Sadly, we're now in a situation where this isn't practical because even a handful of riders quitting would be catastrophic, so the tail continues to wag the dog. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 10 hours ago, TTT said: Bosses need to grow a backbone and refuse starting permission for Glasgow in the Championship imo. It's a club with a Premiership business model in place on all fronts. Under no circumstances can the Premiership take place with 5 Teams. Why should Glasgow prop up the top league. The top league over the years have pocketed fortunes from the TV deals. Now because they haven't got a TV deal you expect 2nd division clubs to throw them a rope. I would tell them to get stuffed. The only reason the top league might only run with 5/4 teams is down to them. They stood by and watched Tolly skint himself last season and now you think other clubs should follow suit?. They made their bed. Let them lie in it. Edited 2 hours ago by tyler42 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, TTT said: Sense of entitlement from certain Championship clubs, They need to serve the Premiership because the Premiership is British Speedway. Certain Championship clubs are waiting for the Premiership to collapse and end up in one big league mostly full of journeymen and out of depth NDL riders and Championship Promoters seem to think that everything will work out perfectly for them when it won't. Current Championship No.1's & Certain No.5's would have offers galore and promoters will have to pay much more money for them during a bidding war because every one of them would demand much more money as they'll need to cover some of the losses from only having one British team place instead of the usual two. Or just make the the 2nd division Semi Pro? how many riders in the lower league make a living? Unless the likes of Hodder are on £300 a point!!! Then I would say hardly any. Yes, the No1's especially with their doubling up, most likely make a living. There might be other sports where their top league only consists of 4/5 clubs, but you can't really have a play off system with that amount of teams, can you? The sport is already laughed at by most news outlets. I don't even think you get the results in the National press anymore. The doubling up put a stop to the sport being taken serious by most. Riders can't keep living in this fantasy world. How many people attend Redcar/Scunthorpe/ Edinburgh/Plymouth etc? The promoters have got themselves into this situation. They have bowed down to the riders wants and needs and this is the end result. They have to tell the riders the bubble has burst. They should offer them a fair deal for what the club can afford. If they can't except the deal. Then unfortunately they will have to go and get a job! No one can justify calling speedway at 2nd division level professional anymore. If some riders reject the offers, then you promote the young lads from the 3rd division. Lets face it the sport at 2nd division level has been watered down so much over the last few years, a couple of more riders won't make that much difference. The majority of riders in the 2nd division worked back in the 70s/80s. The sport was also in a lot better health. The leagues and crowds were a lot bigger. Every year the sport dies a little bit more. It's been on life support for a while now. How much longer before the plug is pulled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, PersonalResponsibility said: Can't agree that there's a need for the Championship to "serve" the Premiership. Both leagues are equally reliant on each other to prosper, it isn't a one-way thing. Your last point is sadly an indictment of the situation we've sleepwalked into. If the riders are demanding twice the money due to only having one team place: good for them. Equally, the clubs are justified in only offering what they're happy to pay. Sadly, we're now in a situation where this isn't practical because even a handful of riders quitting would be catastrophic, so the tail continues to wag the dog. I don't agree. The promoters are the employers. It's come the time where they have to say to the riders. ( This is what we can afford) Then the riders can decide to reject or accept. If the don't like the terms then they can leave the sport and go and get a job. If the sport has to go semi pro then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 hours ago, mikebv said: Ultimately though... They prop up each other... If no top tier existed then the Championship teams would need to lay out more to cover the shortfall to the riders who are no longer riding in two leagues.. And it would need to be a fair few quid too... The Premier League has been in crisis for years. Teams dropping out for one reason or another and needing to be replaced by some poor unsuspecting sap from the next League down. They go up and shortly after are gone. They cannot afford to be competative in the top Division. I wonder how many Championship Teams have gone up, gone bust, and are lost to the Sport? Had they stopped in the Championship, they may still be running concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago There have been very good and well meaning observations & suggestions on what should happen in 2026. However, maybe we should speculate more on what we think the promoters will actually instigate in 2026. For me, a move to two leagues (six teams in the top tier) with a dumbing down of both competitions by lowering the points limit and in doing so move the rising star concept to the lower tier. Note: this is what I think the promoters will do, not what I think should happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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