Peter Craven Memorial 16th March 7pm

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

10 hours ago, mikebv said:

 

My 22 year old lad summed up the overall presentation with this comment...

"Everything Speedway does is always a little bit sh*t, but funny, isn't it?"..

(He was particularly impressed with the "pallet podium")..

Sometimes it’s just the little things but as usual nobody cares, people took the pee out of the pallet podium last year and it’s still used 🙄

[Neila]

16 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Sometimes it’s just the little things but as usual nobody cares, people took the pee out of the pallet podium last year and it’s still used 🙄

What about the people holding up the advert sheet behind the pallets podium, good job it wasn't a windy night otherwise they would be flying over Manchester somewhere 

[ouch]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Sometimes it’s just the little things but as usual nobody cares, people took the pee out of the pallet podium last year and it’s still used 🙄

Time to compare podiums used for clubs flagship individual meetings. Wait a minute………

[bruno]

8 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Sometimes it’s just the little things but as usual nobody cares, people took the pee out of the pallet podium last year and it’s still used 🙄

Similar to my youngests only ever meeting he's comment was it's like a sport run by amateurs for professional riders

[Tom Thumb]

7 hours ago, ouch said:

Time to compare podiums used for clubs flagship individual meetings. Wait a minute………

 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

11 hours ago, ouch said:

Time to compare podiums used for clubs flagship individual meetings. Wait a minute………

You are using your club bias to forge a debate against other clubs, be better and that goes for all clubs, it’s not acceptable anywhere, your argument is well they are crap so we can be crap too 

Edited yesterday at 11:03 AM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Wolfie456]

20 hours ago, PhilTheAce said:

She left her role or pushed. Either way. She's gone 

Hallelujah 

[Petecc]

5 hours ago, bruno said:

Similar to my youngests only ever meeting he's comment was it's like a sport run by amateurs for professional riders

A free volunteer army of amateurs without whom there would be no sport.

[ouch]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

You are using your club bias to forge a debate against other clubs, be better and that goes for all clubs, it’s not acceptable anywhere, your argument is well they are crap so we can be crap too 

No, my argument is the fact we put an individual meeting on with a fabulous line up and people comment negatively about the bleedin podium. A podium that does exactly what it should do. 1,2,3 & sponsors backdrop for photos. Anything other than that is personal preference or more likely a bias against all things Belle Vue. 

We’re not going to stop pushing on so there will be plenty more for you guys to feed on. 

Podium, I still can’t believe it. What to you aspect from a Manchester podium,  Sydney Opera House, perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeests sweeping majestically across the plain”.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

14 minutes ago, ouch said:

No, my argument is the fact we put an individual meeting on with a fabulous line up and people comment negatively about the bleedin podium. A podium that does exactly what it should do. 1,2,3 & sponsors backdrop for photos. Anything other than that is personal preference or more likely a bias against all things Belle Vue. 

We’re not going to stop pushing on so there will be plenty more for you guys to feed on. 

Podium, I still can’t believe it. What to you aspect from a Manchester podium,  Sydney Opera House, perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeests sweeping majestically across the plain”.

The seating at Ipswich was sourced from the temporary capacity required for the Olympics

Perhaps there could be opportunities (for any club not just Belle Vue) to secure better podium options after future Commonwealth Games for example

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

25 minutes ago, ouch said:

No, my argument is the fact we put an individual meeting on with a fabulous line up and people comment negatively about the bleedin podium. A podium that does exactly what it should do. 1,2,3 & sponsors backdrop for photos. Anything other than that is personal preference or more likely a bias against all things Belle Vue. 

We’re not going to stop pushing on so there will be plenty more for you guys to feed on. 

Podium, I still can’t believe it. What to you aspect from a Manchester podium,  Sydney Opera House, perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeests sweeping majestically across the plain”.

And right there is why the sport is on its arse because you justify mediocrity, it matters, the little things all add up, if you want the sport to expand to the outside world it matters,?every little thing matters no matter if you think it doesn’t, at least Phil morris understands this, first impressions matter more now than ever 

Edited yesterday at 01:22 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[IainB]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

And right there is why the sport is on its arse because you justify mediocrity, it matters, the little things all add up, if you want the sport to expand to the outside world it matters,?every little thing matters no matter if you think it doesn’t, at least Phil morris understands this, first impressions matter more now than ever 

Like starting your meeting at the advertised time ⏲️ 

Edited 22 hours ago by IainB

[foreverblue]

4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

You are using your club bias to forge a debate against other clubs, be better and that goes for all clubs, it’s not acceptable anywhere, your argument is well they are crap so we can be crap too 

Really I didn't realise Ouch had a pro Belle Vue bias!!!!

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Really I didn't realise Ouch had a pro Belle Vue bias!!!!

Yes he thinks the sun shines out of the pallets 

[Chrisdonnelly]

13 hours ago, bruno said:

Similar to my youngests only ever meeting he's comment was it's like a sport run by amateurs for professional riders

Belle vue has been like that since I can remember. So 40 years of crap presentation, crap food, crap drinks ( if there’s any left). Luckily the NSS has saved them in the entertainment department otherwise I’d have stopped going long ago. 

[Neila]

Another thing about the trophy presentation, it took that long to get the riders back onto the centre green that their was only a couple of dozen people left in the grandstand. It's not only belle Vue that it happens it's most places, the presentation should take part immediately after the race, not 10 minutes after

[ouch]

17 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

And right there is why the sport is on its arse because you justify mediocrity, it matters, the little things all add up, if you want the sport to expand to the outside world it matters,?every little thing matters no matter if you think it doesn’t, at least Phil morris understands this, first impressions matter more now than ever 

Not the reason but you have inadvertently nailed it. Phil Morris and his like are happy to tinker with things around the edges without addressing the MAIN issue - the racing. That is why the sport is on its arse as it’s a very boring spectacle and the reason I hardly attend. I’ve never, nor would ever stop attending due to bogs, food, cost, rider standard or podiums but when it’s consistently boring, I stop. I am no way alone on this but this propensity of some speedway folk to be continually sprinkling glitter on a turd is astounding.

Anyway back more important matters, the podium - rosewood, mahogany, teak?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, ouch said:

Not the reason but you have inadvertently nailed it. Phil Morris and his like are happy to tinker with things around the edges without addressing the MAIN issue - the racing. That is why the sport is on its arse as it’s a very boring spectacle and the reason I hardly attend. I’ve never, nor would ever stop attending due to bogs, food, cost, rider standard or podiums but when it’s consistently boring, I stop. I am no way alone on this but this propensity of some speedway folk to be continually sprinkling glitter on a turd is astounding.

Anyway back more important matters, the podium - rosewood, mahogany, teak?

No point in trying to point out what I’m trying to say because your just not getting it, to a degree it doesn’t matter what your grievances are with the sport no matter how much they are valid because you’re already there,,it’s how do we move outside your little bubble and attract a new audience that is vital to the future of the sport and the world we live in is very superficial and first impressions are everything, it doesn’t matter what the podium is made of pallets or whatever but the causal viewer doesn’t need to see it because thats their perception formed before a bike is even on a track,try looking past your own nose 

[ouch]

33 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

No point in trying to point out what I’m trying to say because your just not getting it, to a degree it doesn’t matter what your grievances are with the sport no matter how much they are valid because you’re already there,,it’s how do we move outside your little bubble and attract a new audience that is vital to the future of the sport and the world we live in is very superficial and first impressions are everything, it doesn’t matter what the podium is made of pallets or whatever but the causal viewer doesn’t need to see it because thats their perception formed before a bike is even on a track,try looking past your own nose 

 

It’s the very fact that we have looked beyond our own nose that we have our wonderful facility and all its trappings. I’d love it to be replicated around the sport but as you point out some people cannot see beyond their own nose. 

If the take away from Mondays meeting is about the podium that we have used for over ten years then I’ll take it as a win. If someone came to me and said they have sorted the podium and it only cost £500 I’d say they should be sacked. The current model does exactly what it should do and that £500 would be better spent on the SRBF. 

You are correct in that I’m not getting your point if it’s not just being unnecessarily picky. We’ve bigger fish to fry as always in our endeavour to drag this sport to a better place and we will continue to do so. 

I’m sorry you feel we don’t provide you with a good first impression before a bike is even on track and I can quiet see why you are and always have been disillusioned with our sport given the feeling you must have both at the NSS and other circuits across the country. 

 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, ouch said:

 

It’s the very fact that we have looked beyond our own nose that we have our wonderful facility and all its trappings. I’d love it to be replicated around the sport but as you point out some people cannot see beyond their own nose. 

If the take away from Mondays meeting is about the podium that we have used for over ten years then I’ll take it as a win. If someone came to me and said they have sorted the podium and it only cost £500 I’d say they should be sacked. The current model does exactly what it should do and that £500 would be better spent on the SRBF. 

You are correct in that I’m not getting your point if it’s not just being unnecessarily picky. We’ve bigger fish to fry as always in our endeavour to drag this sport to a better place and we will continue to do so. 

I’m sorry you feel we don’t provide you with a good first impression before a bike is even on track and I can quiet see why you are and always have been disillusioned with our sport given the feeling you must have both at the NSS and other circuits across the country. 

 

Maybe we could build a podium out of the buy,a brick wall, it would give me something else to bang my head against while you continue to miss the point 

Edited 3 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE