Neila Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Several insurance firms popping up on my Facebook feed advertising cover for motorbikes all sports covered even mountain biking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 10 minutes ago, Neila said: Several insurance firms popping up on my Facebook feed advertising cover for motorbikes all sports covered even mountain biking At what cost though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 18 minutes ago, Fromafar said: At what cost though. Got to send them a message and they will get back to you, one said from £5 a day, lump sum injury payments available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 (edited) One is totally sports insurance Stockport based Edited April 21 by Neila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 14 minutes ago, Neila said: Got to send them a message and they will get back to you, one said from £5 a day, lump sum injury payments available Until you tell them you ride a Speedway bike.!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 25 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Until you tell them you ride a Speedway bike.!! Not too sure, a Facebook comment came from Andy Harrison, probably Luke's dad 😄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Ben Barker posted on Facebook yesterday evening that he still hasn’t heard from Rob Godfrey and if he doesn’t hear back in the next few days he will be whistleblowing and lifting the lid on other issues. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 9 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Ben Barker posted on Facebook yesterday evening that he still hasn’t heard from Rob Godfrey and if he doesn’t hear back in the next few days he will be whistleblowing and lifting the lid on other issues. Oh Good!!! Now. Which Popcorn to have? Decisions. Decisions... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Oh Good!!! Now. Which Popcorn to have? Decisions. Decisions... He has given Godfrey till Sunday otherwise he is lifting the lid. im going prawn cocktail crisps and a coke. Feet up and see the whatnot hit the fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 2 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: He has given Godfrey till Sunday otherwise he is lifting the lid. im going prawn cocktail crisps and a coke. Feet up and see the whatnot hit the fan. Sounds like a Trump ultimatum 😂 Does Barker Always Chicken Out? 🤔 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 20 hours ago, Neila said: Not too sure, a Facebook comment came from Andy Harrison, probably Luke's dad 😄 We informed the insurance company that Luke races a speedway bike . The insurance we have covers his loss of earnings from his actual job as a scaffolder which he does everyday except for the day he is racing or if he has a busy schedule when bikes need to be prepped. Not sure if the cover would be the same if speedway was the only source of income 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 I hope Connor Coles was sufficiently insured! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: We informed the insurance company that Luke races a speedway bike . The insurance we have covers his loss of earnings from his actual job as a scaffolder which he does everyday except for the day he is racing or if he has a busy schedule when bikes need to be prepped. Not sure if the cover would be the same if speedway was the only source of income Thanks for the info One of the big issues around this is the lack of clarity - at least it is if you are a supporter Are you able to provide any of the clarity that shows the difference between last year and this (for Luke) such as: - Was the change for 2026 communicated to riders, and if so, when? - In 2025 was rider's personal accident insurance included within Luke's contract and did he have to pay that on a per race basis? (it's been suggested riders were paying £5 per race, deducted from their points money) - In 2026 is personal accident insurance included in Luke's contract at all? If not, is he making a £5 per race 'saving', allowing this to be used to purchase the policy that Luke has taken out this year? - Does the policy that Luke has taken out this year provide comparable personal accident insurance to what was provided through his contract, or per race deduction last season? I appreciate very much that you may feel that it is not appropriate that you provide this information, but given the complete absence of relevant comment made by either BSPL or SCB, the speculation and potentially ill informed comment is just going to continue. Much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said: Thanks for the info One of the big issues around this is the lack of clarity - at least it is if you are a supporter Are you able to provide any of the clarity that shows the difference between last year and this (for Luke) such as: - Was the change for 2026 communicated to riders, and if so, when? - In 2025 was rider's personal accident insurance included within Luke's contract and did he have to pay that on a per race basis? (it's been suggested riders were paying £5 per race, deducted from their points money) - In 2026 is personal accident insurance included in Luke's contract at all? If not, is he making a £5 per race 'saving', allowing this to be used to purchase the policy that Luke has taken out this year? - Does the policy that Luke has taken out this year provide comparable personal accident insurance to what was provided through his contract, or per race deduction last season? I appreciate very much that you may feel that it is not appropriate that you provide this information, but given the complete absence of relevant comment made by either BSPL or SCB, the speculation and potentially ill informed comment is just going to continue. Much appreciated Edited April 22 by phillwhitewasmad Didn't write anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, phillwhitewasmad said: 49 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said: Thanks for the info One of the big issues around this is the lack of clarity - at least it is if you are a supporter Are you able to provide any of the clarity that shows the difference between last year and this (for Luke) such as: - Was the change for 2026 communicated to riders, and if so, when? - In 2025 was rider's personal accident insurance included within Luke's contract and did he have to pay that on a per race basis? (it's been suggested riders were paying £5 per race, deducted from their points money) - In 2026 is personal accident insurance included in Luke's contract at all? If not, is he making a £5 per race 'saving', allowing this to be used to purchase the policy that Luke has taken out this year? - Does the policy that Luke has taken out this year provide comparable personal accident insurance to what was provided through his contract, or per race deduction last season? I appreciate very much that you may feel that it is not appropriate that you provide this information, but given the complete absence of relevant comment made by either BSPL or SCB, the speculation and potentially ill informed comment is just going to continue. Much appreciated We received an email regarding an uplift in the cost of our licence which we queried and were told it was as the emailed stated for insurance purposes the uplift was duly paid. previously he had ridden on a pounds for points contract which included insurance no visible deductions were made from his wage the personal cover was assumed to be in the contract but we felt this had been transferred to the ACU with the uplift on the cost of licence dont know about previous coverage as we never claimed and the coverage taken covers his losses as a scaffolder not as a speedway rider as scaffolding is his primary source of income . Speedway is a paid hobby at his level covering its cost with the aid of our wonderful sponsors. i don't mind telling people what I know from our point of view but everyone has different circumstances and our experience could be a different one too others 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: We received an email regarding an uplift in the cost of our licence which we queried and were told it was as the emailed stated for insurance purposes the uplift was duly paid. previously he had ridden on a pounds for points contract which included insurance no visible deductions were made from his wage the personal cover was assumed to be in the contract but we felt this had been transferred to the ACU with the uplift on the cost of licence dont know about previous coverage as we never claimed and the coverage taken covers his losses as a scaffolder not as a speedway rider as scaffolding is his primary source of income . Speedway is a paid hobby at his level covering its cost with the aid of our wonderful sponsors. i don't mind telling people what I know from our point of view but everyone has different circumstances and our experience could be a different one too others Thanks for the update and for being so open. From that it sounds like you received no explicit guidance about the change in insurance levels, and only as a result of the annual licence application - and because Luke hadn't previously had a specific deduction to cover insurance you didn't know what the difference was between the insurance cost in 2025 and the extra licence cost in 2026 - I've seen a figure of £28 mentioned. On the face of it, and unless Luke has had an uplift in his points money to reflect it, then it seems like the club is making a saving ( if it is no longer making insurance premium payments), and Luke has incurred an extra cost as he has had to take out an additional policy to provide a level of income protection against loss of income if he is unable to do his scaffolding job. I of course do appreciate that you can only comment on Luke's position and not on others, but if we assume a lot of riders are in the same position then it is understandable that Ben Barker is really pushing this. By the same token, were I a rider, I would not ride without taking out a personal policy as Luke has done, because the risk is too great. I very much hope that BSPL / SCB issues a much more transparent statement, with a chronology of events which can be substantiated with evidence - and that this dispute can be brought to a conclusion that sees riders in a comparable position to previous seasons without any significant cost issue. Thanks again for taking the time to provide some clarity, albeit as you rightly say, with the caveat that this is how it applies to Luke 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 9 hours ago, Sir Sidney said: From that it sounds like you received no explicit guidance about the change in insurance levels There's a story in the national news at the moment about somebody not being told information and the person who didn't pass on that information has been sacked 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 From Ben Barker Firstly, I want to make it absolutely clear that I have no problem with the Speedway Control Bureau and Auto Cycle Union. They have done nothing untoward. In the close season, the riders were told they had to pay an extra £28 for their ACU licence. That was, we were told, to cover for an extra insurance policy. From the research I have done, this is what I believe has happened. When that was suggested by the ACU, BSPL chairman Rob Godfrey decided the riders don’t need to be insured by the clubs. Therefore it saved the clubs a load of money per season. I’m not sure of the exact amount, but around £4,000 per club. When this issue was first raised by me at Poole on Good Friday, Mr Godfrey stated in Speedway Star on April 11 that “Ben Barker has caused a panic for nothing. The insurance policy has not been withdrawn, it has been replaced”. Subsequently, it’s been clear that ACU insurance was inferior to the old Race Insurance. This had led to the clubs covering their own riders to quell any fears, Ipswich and Redcar have announced this publicly, while a couple of other clubs have done so privately. Just over a week ago, the BSPL issued a new insurance policy which is inferior to the previous Race Insurance we had with the BSPL. The old cover for an injured rider was £225 a week, 14-day excess period and up to 52 weeks of payments. The new cover is now £150 a week, 14-day excess period and only up to 26 weeks of payments. It is nowhere near good enough to what we had previously. But it was a clear admission of wrongdoing by the BSPL that they had to re-issue a new insurance despite claiming I had caused “panic for nothing”. That wasn’t true. There has been no apology or explanation to how the season was started with riders not having appropriate insurance. Four riders were injured during that period; Niels-Kristian Iversen, Charles Wright, Tobias Thomsen and Vinnie Foord. That is clear negligence from the BSPL. That needs to be explained and who made those decisions which have cost the injured riders dearly. We need transparency about the people who made the decisions and whether we need changes in the people running the BSPL. Someone has to take responsibility for the mistakes that have been made. This is such a serious issue. The riders’ welfare has been overlooked in a terrible way. There are even more serious issues regarding this insurance issue. I will go into them at a later point. If it get 1000 likes 500 shares ill give a £50 voucher of the winners choice 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 He's only gone and bloody done it... and well done to him for speaking out... he's not telling us anything we don't already know that the BSPL chairman is rotten to the core (Quelle surprise) and desperately needs replacing, it's just a shame that it's taken this to get any rider to speak out about it... and the mind boggles as to the other goings on that we have never heard about... the BSPL makes Fifa look like the Salvation Army! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 25 minutes ago, IainB said: He's only gone and bloody done it... and well done to him for speaking out... he's not telling us anything we don't already know that the BSPL chairman is rotten to the core (Quelle surprise) and desperately needs replacing, it's just a shame that it's taken this to get any rider to speak out about it... and the mind boggles as to the other goings on that we have never heard about... the BSPL makes Fifa look like the Salvation Army! In any normal business such a "s**t show" would see the person in charge/therefore responsible, being removed from their post wouldn't it?... It is UK Speedway though... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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