IainB Posted yesterday at 12:50 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:50 PM 19 minutes ago, Byker Biker said: Clubs still didn't trim the centre green, clean the air barriers and screwed up Broadcasters Brand Banners leaving them covered in sh!t for the rest of the season. Pointed this out a number of times at Leicester last season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted yesterday at 01:30 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 01:30 PM (edited) 43 minutes ago, Neila said: Are you sure you don't mean premiership clubs, any recent new promotions don't have voting rights for 2-3 years so they keep it a closed shop That’s been the rule for many years, though I don’t know if it still stands. But who does it negatively impact? Workington will have one now and Oxford would get one straight away when Jamie Courtney moved his licence from Berwick. Who else, other than Northampton and perhaps Ipswich is there? Edited yesterday at 01:31 PM by Wee Eck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheDeepStuff Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago You’ve got to question what he improved for his £60k a year income from British speedway? The TV experience would have been managed by the TV company if he wasn’t about, only addition I can think of is the helmet colour rug 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 46 minutes ago, InTheDeepStuff said: You’ve got to question what he improved for his £60k a year income from British speedway? The TV experience would have been managed by the TV company if he wasn’t about, only addition I can think of is the helmet colour rug 🙈 He made the clubs adhere to a schedule to speed meetings up with set grading breaks. Introduced the centre green clocks. Had the sponsors banners made up in the pits so every club looked the same. Brokered deals with riders to ride in the premiership. For the grand final he had a magnificent looking stage not made of three pallets. Pyrotechnics and flames. Spoke to save Coventry stadium and offered to buy Ipswich with his own money. Introduced the media day. but apart from that not much. now the sport is imploding and going backwards under the current regime 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 12 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said: He made the clubs adhere to a schedule to speed meetings up with set grading breaks. Introduced the centre green clocks. Had the sponsors banners made up in the pits so every club looked the same. Brokered deals with riders to ride in the premiership. For the grand final he had a magnificent looking stage not made of three pallets. Pyrotechnics and flames. Spoke to save Coventry stadium and offered to buy Ipswich with his own money. Introduced the media day. but apart from that not much. now the sport is imploding and going backwards under the current regime Meanwhile the 'untouched by Morris' Championship is going quite well ( aside from the greyhound-affected Oxford situation)!!😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago If he's gone I think its a great shame he brought ideas and professionalism to the Premiership and having the guy who directs the GP series could only be a good thing. Assuming he is still involved with Speedway Futures and that still has legs then hopefully we haven't seen the last of him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: If he's gone I think its a great shame he brought ideas and professionalism to the Premiership and having the guy who directs the GP series could only be a good thing. Assuming he is still involved with Speedway Futures and that still has legs then hopefully we haven't seen the last of him. Will be a shame 100%. Who else that isn’t tied to their own club is there to oversee the running of things? Bit of a worry tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) Let's be honest, the "improvements" made have pretty much all been suggested on here down the past few years... All very basic, cosmetic changes... Fundamental change was never going to happen, given so many promoters are quite content with their lot... Fans say that want to see the sport have credibility, integrity, and able to be taken seriously, however, to be fair to the promoters, I have never seen those apirational aims ever being quoted from themselves as objectives to be achieved... To run UK Speedway "properly" as a team sport, takes more money, and also, brings close scrutiny, which UK Speedway doesn't stand up to well when it happens.. Phil made those obvious, quick win, changes, (which was more than had been done by others), however, ultimately, those running UK Speedway know that their skill sets are not what the sport needs, (hence it is where it is), but definitely won't relinquish control of it to someone else who may be able to lead it in delivering its true potential... I presume the lack of a TV deal meant no more job for Phil? As, again I presume, this helped pay his salary?.. The sport, 100%, needs grabbing by the scruff of the neck, with someone showing ambition, vision, and drive... It sadly just will never happen... Edited 7 hours ago by mikebv 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, SteveLyric2 said: Meanwhile the 'untouched by Morris' Championship is going quite well ( aside from the greyhound-affected Oxford situation)!!😉 ... and Workington... and Scunny who had doubts surrounding their return... and Edinburgh who seemed set to lose their stadium a couple of years back (and who knows whether that one has well and truly gone away). And if you count going quite well, a league of just 9 teams and having lost Somerset, Newcastle, Rye House, Birmingham, Stoke, Sheffield, Leicester, King's Lynn & Ipswich over the years as "doing quite well" that's a very strange measurement. Poole & Glasgow are "going quite well", I'd say the rest are clinging on by their finger tips! Mr Morris also engaged with the fans, I personally spoke with him on the phone after the play off semi debacle a couple of years back. He set up the fans forum with fan representatives and I know of others who he has reached out to when they have been ignored by individual clubs. You may reply "what actual good did that do?" but as @mikebv said he picked and addressed all of the low hanging fruit, anything more radical he was never going to be allowed to do with no stake in the sport financially. Edited 6 hours ago by IainB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 30 minutes ago, IainB said: ... and Workington... and Scunny who had doubts surrounding their return... and Edinburgh who seemed set to lose their stadium a couple of years back. And if you count doing quite well, a league of just 9 teams and having lost Somerset, Newcastle, Rye House, Birmingham, Stoke, Sheffield, Leicester, King's Lynn & Ipswich over the years as "doing quite well" that's a very strange measurement. Poole & Glasgow are "doing quite well", I'd say the rest are clinging on by their finger tips! Mr Morris also engaged with the fans, I personally spoke with him on the phone after the play off semi debacle a couple of years back. He set up the fans forum with fan representatives and I know of others who he has reached out to when they have been ignored by individual clubs. You may reply "what actual good did that do?" but as @mikebv he picked and addressed all of the low hanging fruit anything more radical he was never going to be allowed to do with no stake in the sport financially. With the Championship "product" solely reliant on being subsidised by the top tier also paying the same riders that the Championship want to use... Crowds of 600/700 would only support NDL racing, and not support top tier HL's leading their teams... One Big League was suggested, and, personally, with so few teams in total, I feel that would resonate to a wider public number, however, the logistics would mean it couldn't happen as these teams with 600/700 crowds couldn't afford to solely pay top tier HL's who no longer could double up... Hence, two tiers will need to remain... With the tail wagging the dog... Edited 6 hours ago by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago The fans forum ? What ever happened to that ?? Heard at the start about setting one up, then as far as I'm aware radio silence ever since 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 45 minutes ago, Neila said: The fans forum ? What ever happened to that ?? Heard at the start about setting one up, then as far as I'm aware radio silence ever since 🤔 apparently it has been in operation... we just don't hear anything about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 22 minutes ago, IainB said: apparently it has been in operation... we just don't hear anything about it "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We told you last time we weren't doing that"... "No. We're not doing that".... "No. And we're not doing that".. "Well, that's another meeting over. Thanks for your attendance. See you all next month".. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 21 hours ago, Neila said: Are you sure you don't mean premiership clubs, any recent new promotions don't have voting rights for 2-3 years so they keep it a closed shop I mean. A group of promoters, the majority of whom promote Championship speedway. That said, “Cartel” is a very strong term to use. Maybe more accurate to use “hobbyists” who’s preference is to keep to the way things are run because that protects their involvement to a low level of risk whilst fulfilling their egos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago We’re doomed, no question. If this forum and other social media channels is any indication of the sport and who we should be championing and getting behind we are right royal f#*%ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 16 minutes ago, mikebv said: "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We told you last time we weren't doing that"... "No. We're not doing that".... "No. And we're not doing that".. "Well, that's another meeting over. Thanks for your attendance. See you all next month".. The response to the final statement should be "No. We're not doing that. We're forming our own company, ta ta". But i doubt there'd be enough either numerically or brave enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Neila said: The fans forum ? What ever happened to that ?? Heard at the start about setting one up, then as far as I'm aware radio silence ever since 🤔 It exists. Every Premiership club has a rep. In addition there is a rep who is not club specific, so that they can feed information and ideas on from fans of Championship and NDL clubs and those with no club to follow. Some reps are more active than others within their clubs. David Lowe at Leicester is a good example of an active rep. The Facebook group Speedway Fans Network UK collects ideas and comments, tabulates those and feeds them to Phil Morris periodically. At the 2024 AGM the spreadsheet was presented to all attendees. It was also available for the 2025 AGM but they may have had other priorities! The challenge as ever is to get clubs to engage with the reps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Comet Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 3 hours ago, mikebv said: Let's be honest, the "improvements" made have pretty much all been suggested on here down the past few years... All very basic, cosmetic changes... Fundamental change was never going to happen, given so many promoters are quite content with their lot... Fans say that want to see the sport have credibility, integrity, and able to be taken seriously, however, to be fair to the promoters, I have never seen those apirational aims ever being quoted from themselves as objectives to be achieved... To run UK Speedway "properly" as a team sport, takes more money, and also, brings close scrutiny, which UK Speedway doesn't stand up to well when it happens.. Phil made those obvious, quick win, changes, (which was more than had been done by others), however, ultimately, those running UK Speedway know that their skill sets are not what the sport needs, (hence it is where it is), but definitely won't relinquish control of it to someone else who may be able to lead it in delivering its true potential... I presume the lack of a TV deal meant no more job for Phil? As, again I presume, this helped pay his salary?.. The sport, 100%, needs grabbing by the scruff of the neck, with someone showing ambition, vision, and drive... It sadly just will never happen... 'Post of the week' so far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 21 hours ago, Neila said: Are you sure you don't mean premiership clubs, any recent new promotions don't have voting rights for 2-3 years so they keep it a closed shop I mean. A group of promoters, the majority of whom promote Championship speedway. That said, “Cartel” is a very strong term to use. Maybe more accurate to use “hobbyists” who’s preference is to keep to the way things are run because that protects their involvement to a low level of risk whilst fulfilling their egos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, mikebv said: "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We're not doing that"... "No. We told you last time we weren't doing that"... "No. We're not doing that".... "No. And we're not doing that".. "Well, that's another meeting over. Thanks for your attendance. See you all next month".. Shan’t be coming now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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