Lodz GP round 7 Saturday 1st August

[The Cheese]

Feels like all of the GP's this year have actually been quite entertaining. Maybe that's the Woryna affect, he's an absolute nutter but you can't deny he makes things a lot more interesting!

Great night for Lambert, not just the win but Zmarzlik dropping points has opened up that title race further. You'd think he would need to win at least two of the last three rounds to stand a chance but on current form he's certainly capable of that.

A fit Bewley, Holder and Lindgren throughout could have really made this season something special. 

[Bagpuss]

With Woryna there is definitely a middle ground, none of us like gaters and and he's worth ten Kuberas for example who bores me to tears, but at times he's reckless and dangerous and I dont want to be watching him wondering who he is going to have off next. He has a responsibility to the other riders to be safe and a little less unhinged. That said he rides lines that others dont and is a great watch when he's not out of control.

[BangerBoy]

2 hours ago, Odds On said:

100% agree, just imagine if there were sixteen riders in the series just like him! There will be those who love the gaters but give me Woryna any day of the week, pure box office.

Is this before he kills somebody?

[TTT]

13 hours ago, ShanoXtra said:

7 GPs and 7 winners.

People will realise next year that we are blessed this year to actually have the best riders of this generation all in the Grand Prix (apart from Nazar) but minus the Russians.

Anybody can turn up and win this year, I would have happily seen this line up (official line up) go again next season.

Been a very good GP series this year despite all of the injuries, If Bewley, Holder and Lindgren were fully fit and competing in every round then the World Title race would've been more than a three horse race.

Best GP season for a good while imo and as a Brit it's just what was needed considering how bad our domestic League is this year.

[tellboy]

5 hours ago, Aries said:

On Woryna, for all the criticism of his hard riding, his heats are simply unmissable. You ain’t getting up to make a cup of tea while he’s out on track!

I'm all for hard riding,it's his reckless and out of control riding from him I don't like.There's riders like Zmarzlik,Doyle,Lindgren who ride hard but 95% of the time they are in control of what they are doing.

 

5 hours ago, Odds On said:

100% agree, just imagine if there were sixteen riders in the series just like him! There will be those who love the gaters but give me Woryna any day of the week, pure box office.

If there were 16 riders like Woryna in the GP's,you would probably only end up with half of them at the end of the series.

[Aries]

1 hour ago, tellboy said:

I'm all for hard riding,it's his reckless and out of control riding from him I don't like.There's riders like Zmarzlik,Doyle,Lindgren who ride hard but 95% of the time they are in control of what they are doing.

 

If there were 16 riders like Woryna in the GP's,you would probably only end up with half of them at the end of the series.

You not looking forward to watching him next weekend Tellboy? Be honest. 

[tellboy]

3 hours ago, Aries said:

You not looking forward to watching him next weekend Tellboy? Be honest. 

Not when he is out of control and takes someone out,no.It could have been a lot worse for Kubera yesterday through Woryna's reckless actions.It's like he is overriding as he isn't quite as good as the top boys,but wants to be.

[Daniel Smith]

Not seen a single GP for 2 years. Is this Kubera the 'Real Deal'?

Willing to put his & others lives at risk just to win?

Are we talking peak Nicki Pedersen mentality?

Do you think he's willing to take his own countryman & national hero Zmarzlik for a safety barrier inspection?

If it's a yes to all those, I may sign up & have a new hero. Speedway globally desperately needs characters rather than the soft touch of recent years. 

I'm all for 'risk & reward' over safe & bland every day of the week. 

[FAST GATER]

3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Not seen a single GP for 2 years. Is this Kubera the 'Real Deal'?

Willing to put his & others lives at risk just to win?

Are we talking peak Nicki Pedersen mentality?

Do you think he's willing to take his own countryman & national hero Zmarzlik for a safety barrier inspection?

If it's a yes to all those, I may sign up & have a new hero. Speedway globally desperately needs characters rather than the soft touch of recent years. 

I'm all for 'risk & reward' over safe & bland every day of the week. 

The sport is dangerous enough without unnecessary reckless  actions being taken ,I was glad to see the back  of NP and his ilk ,I genuinely cannot comprehend anyone wanting to watch a rider  deliberately fence another ,the consequences of these actions often lead to significant and often career ending injury .I have no issue with robust riding or if a mistake  is made but to substitute skill and ability with fear that you don't care for your's or fellow riders safety  has no place in this sport .

[Aries]

4 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

The sport is dangerous enough without unnecessary reckless  actions being taken ,I was glad to see the back  of NP and his ilk ,I genuinely cannot comprehend anyone wanting to watch a rider  deliberately fence another ,the consequences of these actions often lead to significant and often career ending injury .I have no issue with robust riding or if a mistake  is made but to substitute skill and ability with fear that you don't care for your's or fellow riders safety  has no place in this sport .

You talking about Niki Pedersen here or Woryna?

[FAST GATER]

2 minutes ago, Aries said:

You talking about Niki Pedersen here or Woryna?

Woryna 

I think he has great ability and skill but just needs to calm it down a little .

[Aries]

9 hours ago, tellboy said:

Not when he is out of control and takes someone out,no.It could have been a lot worse for Kubera yesterday through Woryna's reckless actions.It's like he is overriding as he isn't quite as good as the top boys,but wants to be.

I personally much prefer the measured response from those in commentary than the over exaggerated hyperbole that is typical of this forum sadly.

Woryna was rightly excluded, he was the cause of the stoppage. But he didn’t “fence” anybody or “try to kill them” 🙄

[Aries]

3 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

Woryna 

I think he has great ability and skill but just needs to calm it down a little .

Then I disagree with you on him deliberately trying to fence somebody. Over exuberance maybe at times, sure, but not deliberately dirty. I said myself earlier on in this thread that he was hard on a couple of riders on the first bend, taking Kurtz out to the fence and stopping his run being one of them. I stopped short of calling it naughty because he didn’t deliberately try to take Kurtz off, just hard riding.

He’s clearly a determined racer who if he sees a gap, is going to pin the throttle and go for it. He’s lit up this years GP series for me and is THE rider I want to watch at the moment above all the others.

I bet I’m far from alone in that either. IF he ends up back in British Speedway next year, he’ll add numbers to the gate of every track he visits, guaranteed.

[Odds On]

some way over the top comments regarding Woryna, "deliberately fencing a fellow rider"..."going to kill somebody".

 The sport is desperate for characters and excitement, there's more comments on Woryna than the guy who actually won it, maybe just maybe people need to start looking outside of the current box of boring follow the leader speedway.

[norbold]

6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Not seen a single GP for 2 years. Is this Kubera the 'Real Deal'?

Willing to put his & others lives at risk just to win?

Are we talking peak Nicki Pedersen mentality?

Do you think he's willing to take his own countryman & national hero Zmarzlik for a safety barrier inspection?

If it's a yes to all those, I may sign up & have a new hero. Speedway globally desperately needs characters rather than the soft touch of recent years. 

I'm all for 'risk & reward' over safe & bland every day of the week. 

Kubera?

[tellboy]

2 hours ago, Aries said:

I personally much prefer the measured response from those in commentary than the over exaggerated hyperbole that is typical of this forum sadly.

Woryna was rightly excluded, he was the cause of the stoppage. But he didn’t “fence” anybody or “try to kill them” 🙄

I haven't said he has tried to kill anyone,but his recklessness could hurt someone.As I said I thought the Kubera incident could have been so different for him.Same for Madsen in Manchester, the reckless riding of Woryna could have had a different outcome for Madsen.Luckily both Madsen and Kubera walked away from two avoidable incidents. 

[Whitelinehugger]

3 hours ago, Aries said:

I personally much prefer the measured response from those in commentary than the over exaggerated hyperbole that is typical of this forum sadly.

Woryna was rightly excluded, he was the cause of the stoppage. But he didn’t “fence” anybody or “try to kill them” 🙄

If he’d tried to kill them he would have used this.

[gjcone44]

1 hour ago, Odds On said:

some way over the top comments regarding Woryna, "deliberately fencing a fellow rider"..."going to kill somebody".

 The sport is desperate for characters and excitement, there's more comments on Woryna than the guy who actually won it, maybe just maybe people need to start looking outside of the current box of boring follow the leader speedway.

yes bring back garritty.

[paulnolan]

I love to watch Woryna. With Dan Bewley out of the GPs, he's the main reason to watch. Yes, he's unorthodox at times but if other riders really thought he dangerous they wouldn't be quiet about it!