TTT Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Witches1998 said: Cairns will be #6 for someone based on the article from Phil Morris saying he is getting 25% reduction and graduating the scheme I know, But he's far more reliable than a flaky foreign rider who's never ridden a British track as well as a CHAMP Rider on a CHAMP GSA around the 3.5 mark. We got burnt this year with Hellstrom-Bangs and Juhl Pedersen. With this ruling imo it makes Cairns just as important as Heat Leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur73 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 26 minutes ago, TigerIain said: It looks to me like the u21 riders (essentially your reserves) are now far more valuable than anyone else in the team. Cue u21s wanting number 1 money. Its all well and good in Poland where there are lots of talented u21 riders, but there are much fewer in Britain and riders tend to develop later. You don't have to dig too far before you are looking at having 2026 NDL riders being asked to jump into the Premiership just to fill a quota The problem is this scheme is even narrower than the Polish example. U21 riders in Poland can have as high an average as they want but will always graduate at 21. Here they graduate when they get to 3.50 or 4.00 instead. I think having U21 reserves (who can have any average) like Poland works. Currently Cairns, Harrison, Scott, Rushen, Pijper, Loftus is not too bad a line up. 3 of those riders are 17 so still have a number of years ahead of them at that spot to improve. It also encourages premiership teams to have junior teams so they can find talent to bring into their team. I think graduating Cairns and Rushen already means they will be in Poland even more quickly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago The fact that it isnt in the championship is mind boggling, this scheme is perfect there. It should be two in the championship and one in the premiership ideally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Arthur73 said: The problem is this scheme is even narrower than the Polish example. U21 riders in Poland can have as high an average as they want but will always graduate at 21. Here they graduate when they get to 3.50 or 4.00 instead. I think having U21 reserves (who can have any average) like Poland works. Currently Cairns, Harrison, Scott, Rushen, Pijper, Loftus is not too bad a line up. 3 of those riders are 17 so still have a number of years ahead of them at that spot to improve. It also encourages premiership teams to have junior teams so they can find talent to bring into their team. I think graduating Cairns and Rushen already means they will be in Poland even more quickly! I don’t think that’s true when other clubs can use the money they have saved over the years by not running a junior development side on coaxing a young lad over on inflated terms. Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago heres a competition, i would be willing to go and watch, a best pairs comp at each prem track just involving the reserves pairing, from each club, one meeting at each track, not interested in watching same away team twice in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted 50 minutes ago Report Share Posted 50 minutes ago 2 hours ago, Arthur73 said: The problem is this scheme is even narrower than the Polish example. U21 riders in Poland can have as high an average as they want but will always graduate at 21. Here they graduate when they get to 3.50 or 4.00 instead. I think having U21 reserves (who can have any average) like Poland works. Currently Cairns, Harrison, Scott, Rushen, Pijper, Loftus is not too bad a line up. 3 of those riders are 17 so still have a number of years ahead of them at that spot to improve. It also encourages premiership teams to have junior teams so they can find talent to bring into their team. I think graduating Cairns and Rushen already means they will be in Poland even more quickly! They had something similar in the PL in 2006. Eligible riders were given a grade of A, B or C, and teams could have A/C or B/B, no averages were involved. I think it lasted until July when Jon Armstrong and Steve Boxall were averaging about 6.5 and they scrapped it. Similar to 2013 when they announced a scheme for all 10(!) EL clubs to have 2x NL riders at reserve. Then we had the fast-track scheme, and the rising stars after that. I suppose the takeaway is that it's no good getting worked up about any system, because it'll probably be consigned to history within 2 seasons max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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