William Cairns and Cooper Rushen no longer Rising Stars?

[therefused]

Poland don’t need to produce swathes of world champions, they just need to produce enough riders of a decent quality to sustain there league system.
 

Something that is no longer happening in this country and it’s very worrying indeed 

[szkocjasid]

Rushen opted out, now his average is too high - no complaints from me.

Cairns is the result of poor decision making, I see no good reason why the RS limit was lowered from 4.00 to 3.50, in Poland U21s stay at reserve all year regardless of ability, so they've half copied Poland's rules, but put their own spin on it, which doesn't benefit British riders imo.

Rider too weak for the Prem will get plenty of opportunities, riders who have reached the reserve level & can hold their own, will be dropped once reaching 22.

It could be Cairns would have opted out of the RS scheme, if there hadn't been changes, to avoid the RS pay structure, but we'll never know?

[arnieg]

19 minutes ago, therefused said:

Poland don’t need to produce swathes of world champions, they just need to produce enough riders of a decent quality to sustain there league system.
 

Something that is no longer happening in this country and it’s very worrying indeed 

However Poland is not succeeding. There is some angsting a out the paucity of 25/26 year olds, as riders drop out after 21 and 24 when the junior competitions are no longer open to them.

See for example https://kibic-zuzla.pl/polscy-seniorzy-25-29-lat/

[gjcone44]

3 hours ago, arnieg said:

However Poland is not succeeding. There is some angsting a out the paucity of 25/26 year olds, as riders drop out after 21 and 24 when the junior competitions are no longer open to them.

See for example https://kibic-zuzla.pl/polscy-seniorzy-25-29-lat/

very interesting, when i rode in the eighties , got no help what so ever. 

[Col]

The Polish quality rider production line is not what it was.  Zmarzlik is now 31 since he exploded onto the scene only Woryna (30), Kubera (27), Ceirniak (24), Przyjemski (21) & Pawełczak (17) have potential been world class.  Denmark's looks better.

[Daniel Smith]

Anyone got a list of all past 'Rising Stars' and where are they now??

Would be intriguing to see if the system has any meaning to the sport other than 'Money Saving'.

[DJC]

33 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Anyone got a list of all past 'Rising Stars' and where are they now??

Would be intriguing to see if the system has any meaning to the sport other than 'Money Saving'.

the 2021 list 

rising_stars_21.05.21-1.pdf

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

Anyone got a list of all past 'Rising Stars' and where are they now??

Would be intriguing to see if the system has any meaning to the sport other than 'Money Saving'.

Isn't it a set £70 a point for the RS's...?

(I know, reality might be different...)

You could actually argue that the lower the quality, the more it will cost the clubs as more expensive riders beat them..

Looking at the six listed, and the No6's so far signed, many of the RS's will only score the majority of their points against each other I would think..

Edited 9 hours ago by mikebv

[The Cheese]

I don't see how it's going to benefit riders who with the exception of Jody Scott haven't really got past the level of a Championship reserve yet. And that's not meant disrespectfully, they're developing at their own pace which is fine. It's just a concern that you're throwing them in too early. 

Meanwhile you have someone like Joe Thompson who is still young but could miss out on a place altogether just at the point where years of struggle in the top division had begun to turn into good scores.

The five aside from Scott would be better off linked to these clubs for the season but as riders who would step in if one of the reserves was missing. Or if both sides in a meeting are without a rider of similar average, they come in and the rest move up a place to avoid the use of guests. 

[poole keith]

Just a blatant way to get some low earners on the team budget 

[Fozzie4388]

Yet they'll still expect folk to pay £25 a meeting to watch it.

[Bagpuss]

3 minutes ago, Fozzie4388 said:

Yet they'll still expect folk to pay £25 a meeting to watch it.

Only £25? I'm expecting an increase for 2027!

[Neila]

37 minutes ago, The Cheese said:

I don't see how it's going to benefit riders who with the exception of Jody Scott haven't really got past the level of a Championship reserve yet. And that's not meant disrespectfully, they're developing at their own pace which is fine. It's just a concern that you're throwing them in too early. 

Meanwhile you have someone like Joe Thompson who is still young but could miss out on a place altogether just at the point where years of struggle in the top division had begun to turn into good scores.

The five aside from Scott would be better off linked to these clubs for the season but as riders who would step in if one of the reserves was missing. Or if both sides in a meeting are without a rider of similar average, they come in and the rest move up a place to avoid the use of guests. 

The championship should have rising stars and British U24 UK riders  in the teams, then more experienced riders in the premiership 

[mikebv]

7 minutes ago, Neila said:

The championship should have rising stars and British U24 UK riders  in the teams, then more experienced riders in the premiership 

If you were starting a completely new team sport on Monday next week, you certainly wouldnt have copied the UK Speedway operating model to use would you?..

Certainly not if you wanted to make a success of your venture...

Edited 6 hours ago by mikebv

[Bash]

Maybe the RS should be on a guarantee to ride as can't see them scoring much in the Premiership, and will end up costing them more to ride than they make and force them to drop out. Where are all these foreign u-21 riders as no one has named any yet, how many Polish will we see? It's more likely that they will be Aussies and if not teams will have to go with two Brits which will weaken the teams even more

[mikebv]

15 minutes ago, Bash said:

Maybe the RS should be on a guarantee to ride as can't see them scoring much in the Premiership, and will end up costing them more to ride than they make and force them to drop out. Where are all these foreign u-21 riders as no one has named any yet, how many Polish will we see? It's more likely that they will be Aussies and if not teams will have to go with two Brits which will weaken the teams even more

They will be...

On Dan T's vlog it was mentioned that most riders get a 3 points guarantee, with some going for no guarantee but higher pounds per point ..

[Arthur73]

If it was just riders who were U21 without any average worries then they would be much more competitive. Rising stars this season would have been Cairns, Rushen, Harrison, Scott, Pijper, Loftus. Most of those riders could compete at a premiership level but alas nothing makes sense that comes from British Speedway.

[Fozzie4388]

6 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Only £25? I'm expecting an increase for 2027!

Sadly you're not wrong. More than likely I'll stretch to a third year without attending a meeting in person