IronScorpion 1,407 Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) There are, at the moment, 3 teams using facilities for injured/missing riders Peterborough missing Pedersen, injured on 27/3 after 1/2 a lap but now quit club. Wolves missing Becker injured in Slovakia on 2/4(1st Wolves meeting 3/4) Scunthorpe missing Kennedy injured in Australia, mountain biking. (1st Scunthorpe meeting 7/4). I think all 3 teams are using the 28 day facility but read that Scunthorpe have to sign a rider after the 5/5 after the facility has ended. What is the situation with the Premiership clubs as both are using guests on Bank Holiday Monday? Edited April 30, 2023 by IronScorpion date added Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
False dawn 2,298 Posted April 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: ....What is the situation with the Premiership clubs as both are using guests on Bank Holiday Monday? It's a joke? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petecc 352 Posted April 30, 2023 59 minutes ago, False dawn said: It's a joke? What should the clubs do , use a 2point novice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,784 Posted April 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Petecc said: What should the clubs do , use a 2point novice? Yes, if their rider isn't fit or they haven't signed a replacement. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted April 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Yes, if their rider isn't fit or they haven't signed a replacement. Correct ,or what’s the point of the 28 day rule. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSC67 1,465 Posted April 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Petecc said: What should the clubs do , use a 2point novice? Stick a 2 pointer at reserve and use R/R 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petecc 352 Posted May 1, 2023 15 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Yes, if their rider isn't fit or they haven't signed a replacement. 11 hours ago, DSC67 said: Stick a 2 pointer at reserve and use R/R So you would be happy to see your club, having paid your money to get in , have a very weakened side just so that the guest rules are not used? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,648 Posted May 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Petecc said: So you would be happy to see your club, having paid your money to get in , have a very weakened side just so that the guest rules are not ABused? There fixed it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,784 Posted May 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Petecc said: So you would be happy to see your club, having paid your money to get in , have a very weakened side just so that the guest rules are not used? If they'd had a whole month to sign somebody and had failed to do so then yes. Guests and facilities are being used far too often and for too long, it's further damaging speedway's credibility. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted May 1, 2023 If I had my way it would be a guest for a missing Number One, R/R for either heat leader missing and a junior/team asset (although this is open to abuse) for second strings and reserves. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted May 1, 2023 The rules have changed this year. Facilities are granted by the SCB Manager - Neil Vatcher, he determines the length of the facility but my information is it’s going to be limited this year after the furore caused by the Kennett situation at Plymouth last year. The most important change is when clubs are granted No official facility. In the past teams were forced to use a 2 point junior rider. This year teams are able to use a rider whose CMA is 25% less than the rider who is missing. To put this into context Wolves can continue to use Scott Nicholls to cover for Becker as Nicholls current GSA of 5.28 is at least 25% below Becker,s current GSA of 7.11 (7.47 home). Or can use another rider up to an average of 5.33. Thats my understanding of the regulations for 2023. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 1,268 Posted May 1, 2023 19 hours ago, IronScorpion said: There are, at the moment, 3 teams using facilities for injured/missing riders Peterborough missing Pedersen, injured on 27/3 after 1/2 a lap but now quit club. Wolves missing Becker injured in Slovakia on 2/4(1st What is the situation with the Premiership clubs as both are using guests on Bank Holiday Monday? Wolves would possibly have used Chris Harris to replace Luke Becker, but Chris Harris is already replacing Nicki Pedersen. It's in the best interests of the sport that Chris Harris has his 28 day facility extended whereby he can guest for other clubs for a limit of only 28 days per month. Scott Nicholls and Rory Schlein should be given the same facility, If not the integrity of the sport will be seriously at risk. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSC67 1,465 Posted May 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Petecc said: So you would be happy to see your club, having paid your money to get in , have a very weakened side just so that the guest rules are not used? The old national league worked fine without guests 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted May 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, DSC67 said: The old national league worked fine without guests Absolutely! Eastbourne had a conveyor belt of riders ready to fill in any gaps...and, of course, the old Second Half encouraged riders in that they often mixed with the established riders. Even at Oxford when we entered the old National League we had riders waiting in the wings to be given a chance. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted May 2, 2023 On 5/1/2023 at 11:09 AM, Lefty said: Wolves would possibly have used Chris Harris to replace Luke Becker, but Chris Harris is already replacing Nicki Pedersen. It's in the best interests of the sport that Chris Harris has his 28 day facility extended whereby he can guest for other clubs for a limit of only 28 days per month. Scott Nicholls and Rory Schlein should be given the same facility, If not the integrity of the sport will be seriously at risk. Great point... Given the "25% rule" or whatever it is, then Kyle Howarth too, may need to be included.. As he rides in the Top 5 for Sheffield (the team tipped to win the league), but can only get into Kings Lynn as a reserve.. Meaning KL must be stronger than Sheffield..... Yet the KL fans seem to be always moaning they are rubbish... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
