steve roberts 9,246 Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, arnieg said: All tournaments are invented. Riding abroad broadens a rider's experience and is generally beneficial. I remember the Test Matches down under whereby many riders came back to these shores a better more complete rider. It certainly didn't harm Gordon Kennett who toured Australia in 1975/76 and he proved inspirational when riding for White City after a career spent on smalll tracks up to that point. Edited June 22, 2023 by steve roberts 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toady 231 Posted June 23, 2023 12 hours ago, arnieg said: All tournaments are invented. Riding abroad broadens a rider's experience and is generally beneficial. Yeh for sure but the riders Iam referring to are novices who when put in to a champ team struggle to beat their opposites and missing domestic fixtures just to race against others of similar std does nothing for them other than cost money and I’ve witnessed a couple of said riders this season a couldn’t beat an egg .Someone mentioned Gordon Kennett would I be correct in thinking he was already a proven performer hl before going down under in the close season with no loss to domestic speedway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,649 Posted June 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Toady said: Yeh for sure but the riders Iam referring to are novices who when put in to a champ team struggle to beat their opposites and missing domestic fixtures just to race against others of similar std does nothing for them other than cost money and I’ve witnessed a couple of said riders this season a couldn’t beat an egg .Someone mentioned Gordon Kennett would I be correct in thinking he was already a proven performer hl before going down under in the close season with no loss to domestic speedway Not sure who you mean, but I'd guess someone like Ben Trigger (who won a meeting in Belgium last season), or Sam Hagon (who I saw in the Golden Ribbon at Pardubice last year). And I'd reiterate that they almost certainly benefitted from their experiences. What would improve matters would be a Championship set up that made it easier for the likes of Trigger and Hagon to step up from the NDL. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJA 40 Posted June 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, arnieg said: Not sure who you mean, but I'd guess someone like Ben Trigger (who won a meeting in Belgium last season), or Sam Hagon (who I saw in the Golden Ribbon at Pardubice last year). And I'd reiterate that they almost certainly benefitted from their experiences. What would improve matters would be a Championship set up that made it easier for the likes of Trigger and Hagon to step up from the NDL. As someone who loves the NDL & Champ and would like nothing better than to see young British riders progress I cannot understand why the Thompson Twins never get European experience. Is it a case of their face doesn't fit or something else? It appears to have benefited other riders of a similar age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toady 231 Posted June 23, 2023 My issue is riders of novice std missing league or other domestic meetings not with riding abroad per say.just to be clear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted June 23, 2023 Atkins into the 1-5 from next week. Heeps to reserve!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted June 23, 2023 22 hours ago, Trackrat said: @Arthur54 thought you were ordered not to converse with me? Do as your told. He wasn't talking to you, just about you! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Toady said: Yeh for sure but the riders Iam referring to are novices who when put in to a champ team struggle to beat their opposites and missing domestic fixtures just to race against others of similar std does nothing for them other than cost money and I’ve witnessed a couple of said riders this season a couldn’t beat an egg .Someone mentioned Gordon Kennett would I be correct in thinking he was already a proven performer hl before going down under in the close season with no loss to domestic speedway Yes I did! Gordon was a good second heat leader at Cowley in 1975 but tended to struggle on bigger tracks but his Aussie experience benefitted him enormously when he moved with the rest of the "Rebels" to the vast White City in 1976 and he became a complete all rounder and as they say the rest is history. Gordon has been quoted at saying that Martin Dugard (another small track specialist) would have benefited with a trip down under. Edited June 23, 2023 by steve roberts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bellevueace 913 Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/21/2023 at 10:12 PM, lisa-colette said: Winning the league is always great but I am a bit worried we are going to have a forced promotion on our hands!* *promotion into the prem not a clubs promotion! Poole need to stay well away from the prem, i would have preferred Belle Vue to go Championship, more variety and it actually resembles a league, and the same riders with the exception of a handful. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toady 231 Posted June 24, 2023 A few years ago I would have disagreed with that but now with the few teams that remain the crowd levels I think it’s the best from what I have seen but will there be enough rider of that std to go round? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted June 24, 2023 Standard and points limit will be calculated on a 'one league' basis, imo, IF those clubs/stadia rumoured to be closing for speedway do so!? Judging by the 'success' of the IOW meetings, it is increasingly clear that the sports popularity (and costs) do not require the 'top' riders!!!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,035 Posted June 24, 2023 22 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Atkins into the 1-5 from next week. Heeps to reserve!! 5.60!! Almost tripled his average, done well! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted June 24, 2023 With Atkins stepping up to the plate it solves Oxfords weak at reserves problem.Well done to him 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
