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I really didn’t see why the system was changed, under the old scoring every race counted and meant no one could take their foot of the gas. And it was fair to everyone. What exactly is the big deal that the winner needs to get the most points

Watching youngsters trying so hard that they sometimes slide off is better than seeing the guys who tail off at the back and just ride around, or pull up. I'd never fault a lad who falls off trying......

Scoring system needs to get back to where every ride counts towards your final score, you can fiddle around with the semi`s and final but this current system is next to useless.

Another dreadful GP all down to the track AGAIN!!...Slightly more chance of passing that that utter embarrassment in Prague but the track was a disgrace!. Stuff this practice of sharing the GP's all around the World, this is supposed to be the pinnacle of a so called "professional" (sic) sport, yet so many rounds are ruined by disgraceful tracks. Give ALL the rounds to the best tracks, even if that means some tracks getting more than one round a year. This is supposed to be speedway RACING, not speedway "GATING" (last week) and speedway "HANGING ON FOR DEAR LIFE" (last night). Another embarrassing night for the sport.

I've heard from a good source Luke Becker maybe signing!

I always assumed it changed because Tai Woffinden kept saying he did not care about winning GPs whenever he missed out, that he just wanted to keep picking up championship points. Which surely must be embarrassing to the series, because he was just being smart within the system they created. That previous system rewarded consistently over winning meetings, especially when you could have a rider entering a final knowing they will get the most points out of the meeting towards the championship table even if they crash out. In all of Tai's titles, only Hancock in 2015 shared the podium with the same number of GP wins as him, the other riders all won more. So they had to make a change to make winning a meeting actually count for more in the season than just a ride for three more points. No one is saying riders will not battle for every point, but they should be disappointed when they fail rather than it not matter because they got the most points anyway. That system was like deciding the Premier League on goal scored rather than points for winning matches. My problem with the current system is it has gone from one extreme to the other. Now it ignores how well someone had gone in a meeting that you can miss the semis on count back yet still only get one point more than a rider who picked up three points fewer. But I do not know what is wrong with the older system of double points in the final. It pretty much meant the winner of the meeting would have the most points, and a six point difference between winning a GP and failing to make the final meant that winning mattered to the championship standings in the way they do now.

Exactly. I seem to remember that I wasn't keen when they bought this scoring system in but I like it now. Position in a meeting still counts so they still need to race for every point, and the winner of the meeting gets most points. It does make sense.

You've remembered one of your other names and password .. Well done..

As somebody who negotiates million-pound deals for a living, silence is when both parties are making the most progress. We have made contact with all of the top Ekstraliga riders. Just have some patience!

My lad asked me whether we were going, and I told him no as it was on TV... He said he knew it was on TV but that he would pay (), given he had done a fair amount of overtime... And said that Jason Doyle and Max Fricke would be good to watch against each other.. I then told him the line ups... He shook his head, laughed, and simply said "Why do they always run Speedway so f*****g s****e?".... 19 years old, and already so wise... #soproud...

Enjoyed that... Lublin definitely major contenders.. Sunday night Speedway in Poland rarely disappoints.....

Great atmosphere in Lublin

Majic... Not been the greatest racing this year but every meeting still has a few moments where you just go "Wow!".....

I like the Prior Chippy,but it is not central .

No. Race points are only used as the qualification criteria for the semis; championship points are awarded STRICTLY on finishing position. The guy who finished 3rd will ALWAYS get more than the guy who finished 4th, who will always get more than the guy who finished 5th. This is the problem, as people seem to intertwine and confuse the two. Race points aren't included in the championship standings. It doesn't matter that someone scored 15 points, and finished last in his semi; the 15 points just secured a spot in the semi - NOTHING ELSE. WHether he got a 15-point max, or scraped in with 6, it doesn't matter. If he finishes last in his semi, he will get the same points. It's no different to the old World Final system. Somebody could win the Overseas Finak with 15, and another could scrape in with 7. The important thing is that they qualified for the Inter-Continental Final, where they all start from scratch again. That's what the semis are now - it is "another round" where they all start from scratch. In what other forms of motorsport do they have no brakes? In what other forms of sport do they have 16-man round-robins?

Ah but. I did buy an Aero at an aerodrome. It was one of those yard long jobs, as I remember.

All speculation, you could say what would the score have been had Cookie not had bike issues in his first 3 rides , this is speculation of course. Who knows just enjoy the win instead of what if's.

Personally I never liked the idea of the winner of the GP not getting the most points or that qualifying for a semi didn't gain anything if you finished 4th. I like the new system and it is more in line with the majority of motorsport. Dan Bewley has been brilliant imo, turns up, just gets on with it and is doing very well.

Spoke to Jye who was watching from 3rd bend. I asked him when he was back he said next Saturday I said thank god or words to that effect

My biggest pet peeve of the scoring system: Vaculik scores 5 = 6 GP points Doyle scores 5 = 4 GP points Holder scores 8 = 9 GP points Janowski scores 6 = 8 GP points Why is 5 worth 2 more points than 5, but 8 is only worth 1 more point than 6? Worst scoring system ever!

Once again only 3 Home riders had a Heat win as opposed to the away Team had 5.says it all really.Injuries or not home riders should all be capable of a heat win.

Cammi brown the gift that keeps on giving. Please never leave. another trophy goes a miss.

I think there’s a certain amount of anti-Cami baked in to some of these responses, which I do understand. But Hume had won two races. Yes, Broc looked good, but not so much better that it was clear cut, and with some of his struggles this season, he could have gone into heat 14, come last, and then Cami would get blasted for putting in the rider who’s struggled all year. Hume and Nicol were both good options for heat 14 on paper. The tie wasn’t lost in heat 14. Going into lap 4 of heat 15, it was still going to golden heats… you could point to Craig’s engine issues, or him going through the tapes in heat 1 last night, or Broc doing it in the same heat… or not putting Ulle in heat 15 yesterday. That was a much bigger mistake, for me. To be honest, it didn’t really feel like the Tigers won by 14 on the night. It felt much closer. Everyone made a contribution but it just wasn’t quite enough. 17 points from the guests for the Monarchs was a decent return. Also shout out to Dillon Ruml - 7 rides, 7 third places. Didn’t set the place on fire, but he did what he needed to.

FYI When Poland issue their weekend schedules , the PZM always list consecutive Saturdays & Sundays, & do not confirm the actual race day until c. 2 - 3 weeks before the event. This I believe is linked to sponsorships & tv scheduling. Furthermore Saturday & Sundays are the priority days for Polish fixtures which all contracted riders are obliged to fulfil. If anyone had checked previous fixtures held at Tarnow this season, they've used Saturdays. Further feedback from Poland indicates that the stadium in Tarnow is unavailable for speedway this Sunday as it is being used for a local festival event. The Edinburgh Promotion should have been aware of how Polish fixtures are confirmed & should have not agreed to the weekend date until the PZM announced the official date. They should have informed Glasgow they would visit on either the Saturday or Sunday once the the PZM announced the official date. This would have been c. 2 weeks beforehand. What makes it more galling was that Glasgow had suggested it be moved from their normal off race day of Sunday to Saturday, due to a possible tv clash with Scotland playing Wales in the World Cup Qualifier in Cardiff, which never materialised! BTW as the home team was Tarnow, kindly explain how the visitors "Rawicz, changed there fixture from sunday, to saturday for unknown reasons"

Agreed! I’ve had a couple of poor ones at Amrans! Went to the Magna last week for my sisters birthday and the food was perfection… Oli even threw in a free chocolate cake for all of us

Latest news on Nicki Pedersen and Piter Pawlicki isn't good. Nicki has a fractured hip socket as well as two pelvic fractures and Piter has broken both shoulder blades.

Prior Chippy,,, best haggis av ever had.

Brewers Arms do good meals just around corner from Leaping Salmon

According to translated updates Pedersen is complaining of pain in his right thigh. Poor guy has had no luck this season.

Pawlicki not happy with move from Pedersen out of 2nd bend.... Pawlicki gets under Pedersen but Pedersen drops it on him and both touch..... Hope both ok, severe pain to Pedersen thigh, both off to hospital

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Can’t recall it’s name but that dog at the show ground was quite well known and often referenced on this forum. I used to see dogs at Arena Essex, there was one on the home straight who used to get very excited wagging its tail seemingly when the Hammers done well.

Agree. Really good watch this one. Fricke loves a 4th bend last lap pass today.

Surely you have to promote from the Cubs team, or what's the point in having a Cubs team? How else is Connor Coles going to progress? He'll be due a testimonial soon!

I have a collection of 1540 programmes (yes I have counted them!) I'm not sure "favourite" is quite the right word, given the nature of one of the programmes, but my prize programmes are: My own first meeting New Cross v. Norwich, 11 May 1960 The first-ever Crystal Palace meeting, which also includes the first-ever international between England & Australia, 19 May 1928 The first-ever New Cross meeting, 18 April 1934 New Cross, 28 August 1935, the match in which Tom Farndon had his fatal crash New Cross, 18 September 1935, the first Tom Farndon Memorial Trophy Hackney v. New Cross, 10 April 1963, the first post-War Hackney programme Wimbledon, 4 September 1953, the first-ever England v. New Zealand Test match Wimbledon v. West Ham, 14 August 1965, KO Cup 3rd round replay, the best and most memorable match I have ever seen - the night Malcolm Simmons came good Wembley, 28 June 1956, the first-ever England v. Sweden Test match, Wembley v. Southampton, 31 August 1939 (the last match before the War) Wembley, 29 August 1938, Star Riders' Championship Final Plus all the Mildenhall and Wimbledon programmes that contain the regular columns that I wrote!

It’s very easy with hindsight to criticise especially if you didn’t attend the meeting and can’t witness the effort and determination or otherwise but I do wonder if Stewart Dickson was still in charge how many league titles Glasgow would have won under the current regime.

Bit harsh to say Hume shouldn't be in heat 14. He won his first two rides. Yeah, he came last in heat 11, but he'd ridden every bit well enough to justify keeping it for 14.

Disgusting that a GP track is that bad….. of course Shovlar likes it he is a wind up merchant who always gives an opposite opinion to anyone else just to cause comment sad and predictable Someone said the Poles didn’t like it well first and second shows that to be wrong lol Tai looking good just an awful gate choice in the semi Dan just made a mistake in the first corner of his semi final maybe youthful exuberance and lack of experience Lambert steady if not spectacular but that was what was needed tonight And what can you say about Zmarzlik…… hated conditions but like a multi world champion does he made the best of a bad night …. I hope he goes on to win it again as he is the best rider by far and amazing to watch Madsen to inconsistent to put up a challenge and the less said about Janowski the better he just crumbles and sulks and will never be a world champion isn’t mentally tough enough Can see it being the ‘old guard’ so to speak as the top 3 at the end of the season…. Zmarzlik, Tai and Freddie

I miss the days of RIckardsson, Hancock, Gollob, Crump and Pedersen. Speedway has fallen so far.

Glad you enjoyed that Steve.I thought that was a very poor advert for speedway.Good for moto cross,not speedway. The winner Dudek said it all really"dangerous"

Fair play to Dudek.. Full on.... Rough track.. Tai, Dan and Robert all in the semis... (Though it probably doesnt say much for the tracks they rode over here in their development years to be able to handle it....)..

thank you Connor Coles, didn't expect anything from him, his paid 6, won us the meeting. I prefer later starts at this time of year, it just goes slick and dusty.

Not even related ….The THOMPSON TWINS has to have the correct title .……… bloodline heritage supersedes Poole propaganda

And chief bullrubbishter

No paramedic on site FFS! This guy should have his promoters licence taken from him... absolute disgrace to the sport

Turbo Twins?? Chris Holder and Darcy Ward were given that title for a reason. Giving that name to the Thompson's is the same as putting Ant & Dec in the same company as Morecambe & Wise.

What about Jack Smith in as a replacement.

Just ten league meetings to fit in and over six months in which to do it...? With the FIM meetings scheduled in advance...? And fixed race nights of Monday and Thursday so no clashes...? And yet they still plan a meeting whereby the likelihood would be "top level" riders may be elsewhere ? And on a TV night too? I bet Eurosport must be mightily impressed at such capability from their partners...

The sport would be far worse off if there was no 'Poole' speedway! The title of the topic may be better worded if it read 'Why are a lot of forum members envious of Poole Speedway' ? Personally, I don't do 'Envy'!