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some on here could also say they were wrong to cast aspersions and jumping to conclusions about Jack, seemed pretty quick to add their ten penneth at the time.

What a fantastic meeting this was, a great advert for our sport. A big crowd, great atmosphere, top class racing, no controversial moments, banter between home and away fans, couldn't ask for more, it really felt like the big occasion it should. I am happy with a 12 point lead as it gives the Aces a chance, Sheffield still slight favorites, but pulling back a lead of anything over 10 in play offs is not easy. As for the Jack Holder, worky fan issue, too me its something about nothing. The way I see it, without calling anyone a liar, Jack was asked for his teamsheet and could he sign it, he took the sheet down signed it then gave it to the child, why would he go to those efforts to then screw it up and throw it at the kid, it doesn't make sense. The easy option for Jack would have been to ignore the request and walk away, now maybe he didn't smile when he passed it over, but this was within a number of minutes after he'd been 5-1'd in heat 15, so he was probably still a bit pissed off. Anyway on to Thursday.

Booo Hooo... I really would give it no thought whatsoever if I was Jack, or Chris... Life moves on, and, guess what, there are a myriad of disappointments to face, so get over it, and quickly..... If Jack Holder had done something to upset my kid which I felt was "out of order", he would have been told there and then... I wouldn't have hidden behind a keyboard... The world nowadays is far too easily offended... Which, in a way, is great... Because there are loads more who now take offence than there used to be to have a pop at......

Anyone whos been to Belle Vue will know exactly what Jack meant about the fence, its impossible to throw anything through it. The parents are clearly trouble makers.

Like someone said earlier in the thread, definitely looking for a freebie via the cancel culture route. You bought a ticket, enjoyed the meeting as you stated but you aren’t owed anything else and nor are your kids. Glad Jack has set the record straight, ultimately he has more to lose than some Karen on Facebook looking for a freebie.

The dad sounds like a proper prat... Best wishes to the kid as he grows up with that as his role model... If you are peed off then tell Jack why to his face, and move on.. No need for a public outburst...

Another cracking meeting tonight. Fair play to Scunthorpe for keeping it so close, but Nicholls and Masters proving to be the difference once again in heats 13 and 15. Special mention to Dan Gilkes in heat 14 - that was one hell of a ride.

Nah. 😜

Now here’s Jack’s side of the accusations, the people concerned might have made a mountain out of a molehill but gone very low aiming comments at family who were nothing to do with the initial incident. @Sheffield Speedway Can’t believe I have to post this about the false allegations against me, Always 2 sides to every story, this have been made into a bigger issue then it has to be. So after heat 15 I had come into the pits, took my helmet off and there was a kid at the fence asking for the racecard which I gave to him through a chain wire fence, I turned back around to talk with my teammates, the kid then asked for me to sign the racecard which I did and then handed it back through the fence which had then ripped so I picked both pieces up and gave them back to the kid, who looked very happy! The dad then came to the fence and was abusing me. I asked him what the issue was and he stated that I threw the racecard at his son and his son was crying. I turned back around to my team to talk about the meeting but apparently tried to bring my team manager and my brother into the argument which is also false. How can I throw a program at a kid through a chain wire fence? This has to be very clear! There was no security called or anything like he claimed, Then after getting home from the meeting the father has even gone as far as repeatedly commenting on my partner and my son’s photos with disgusting comments. Since the meeting he has gone on a rampage trying to spread false information all over social media. The way they have interpreted the interaction is so far from the truth it’s actually a joke. Also threatening my team manager Simon stead and laughing about it as it’s all over social media. So I am unsure if this is supposed to be a funny thing or a now serious thing.

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Of course he will improve - he is only 19 - this year as an example was only time 2nd time he raced at Poole. Unlike all of the UK riders who have grown up racing on these tracks. He could easily put 1-2 points on his away average. Anyway if Tigers don’t want him the club who does take him will get the rewards just like tigers did this year - a 4 point rider who managed 7+ points at home every week. And yes even when at number 6 he still beat all the same riders.

Sounds like the kid asked for Jack’s signed team sheet and got given Jack’s signed team sheet. Not sure what the problem is 🤔🤓

Congratulations to Oxford for progressing to the final and well done to Scunthorpe for a battling display which pushed the Cheetahs all the way!

Great effort from Scunny

Kings Lynn. Id love to see this team win the league next year. i think have raced every year since 1965 , been close a few times in top flight but have had atrocious few years. Lets hope they bring Rob back and build a team to challenge for title next year. Long over due and would be good for the sport.

This point hits the nail on the head. While everyone would wish to see a higher points limit, probably most promoters even, all it would do currently is enable the richer clubs to hoover up the scarce heat leaders and leave the poorer clubs without any top end strength. While the points limit exists then it should be set at a level that encourages healthy competition in the league otherwise there is no point having a points limit at all.

Would that not make the racing closer though? Means a reserve is capable of beating 6 of the opposition team? Ideally you want the gap between the top & bottom riders as narrow as possible for close racing. So hopefully doesn't mean 4-6 point riders get dropped for new 2.00 riders. But with the likes of Pickering, Ben Cook & Brennan possibly not riding in the Champ next year, Plymouth not having a number one all season, will Schlein ride next year? Where will the heat leaders come from?

One heat leader, three second strings and three reserves probably the make up off most teams next year. What could possibly go wrong, It must be the only sport i know that weakening the product time after time will make everything better, and they still expect you to pay the same if not more for it.

I personally want Belle Vue though to the final. Not because I think we can beat them it's more of that bend 2 army wanna be hooligans do everyone's nut in at Leicester. The rest of the Sheffield supporters I've spoke to and normal supporters and are super friendly. But that bunch have the same songs on repeat, sometimes do chants that make you cringe and they just look terrible in general. Especially that James fella, seems a right wind up merchant. Why can't they just be normal and stop antagonising everyone ? It's like Sheffield are the only club that exist to them. Either way whoever we get it's going to be a super close and tense final. Sheffield or Belle Vue, not fussed. Just don't want any annoying fans lol.

All the hate will just make Jack ride faster 😁

I find this Jack Holder thing quite cringeworthy really and the ladies post tagging pretty much anything that is Jack Holder related very odd. He’s clearly not everyone’s cup of tea and that’s completely fine.

On facebook, that well known platform of truth and honesty !! Everyone is taking her word as gospel and completely discounting Chris Holder's statement that it didn't happen. Is that because they know the woman personally and are confident she would only post the absolute truth ? Or is it because they dislike the Holder family and see an opportunity to jump on the bandwagon ? I wonder how many of those backing her statement would do the same if she said it about Doyle or Nicholls ?

Yes you do and I thought the winner of heat 8 on Saturday Vinnie Foord was going to be paying us a visit and did great to hold onto the bike on the final bend.

You see Dave the mature thing to do there is to hold a grudge against a whole club based on the actions of few and cry about it whenever the opportunity arises. It shouldn't be a surprise though. The club is based in the rough area of Hillsborough, so you should expect some foul language and potentially you're a few missing tyres if you drive.

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Information from Leicester The outcome of that semi-final has an effect on the date of the Grand Final at the Pidcock Motorcycles Arena, Beaumont Park. If Sheffield win on aggregate, the Lions will stage the first leg next Monday, September 23 before travelling up to South Yorkshire three nights later. A Belle Vue victory would mean the Lions travelling to Manchester next Monday and then hosting the second leg on Thursday September 26. So how is it acceptable that they have to wait till the Thursday to know where the final will be raced on the following Monday, when this wasn't acceptable for the semi finals? For "commercial reasons" couldn't Leicester just have agreed to host the home leg first to allow Belle Vue or Sheffield 7 days to publicise their leg of the final? There is nothing anyone could ever say to make me believe the "fixing" of the semi finals is acceptable.

Jack certainly was a “character”.

Yes, I remember them well. There were some juicy battles between those two. I had a lot of time for Jack. Not so much Frank though, I'm trying to be charitable here. 😉

So well done to Oxford progressing to the Play off final and for agreeing the dates so quickly. Also great to hear Oxford running 3 teams again in 2025.

Considering they've already signed Zischke and have confirmed 2025, they aren't.

Of course Speedway needs to get away from the programme waving style of fans. Time moves on.

I will say one thing for Aces fans when they celebrate they celebrate well.

Easy solution the Edinburgh fans to post there team plans on the Poole 2025 thread.

When Jason arrived at Ipswich in 2022 it got me & a few others who had become once or twice visitors to going to around half that seasons home fixtures. The last two seasons with Jason & Emil we have been pretty much ever presents accept missing meetings due to holidays. Those two have had a massive impact on Ipswich speedway & brought the feel good factor back.

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Thought Friday track might not suit him for the full season. Assume be Poole or Oxford if he does champ next year being midweek tracks. Fought so hard to get away from Sunday's because of Poland, now it's affecting Fridays!

Am in total agreement with most on here concerning Sheffield Supporters, been to Sheffield this season, and 98% are very approachable and the banter is always in good jest. The Bend 2 Army who i believe ruin it for most are in their own little world that most Sopeedway fans all over the country just ignore, as that's what they are a Non-Event. I agree on the Tai comment, if he was riding, the 12 points isn't enough, but like i said Yesterday, you just don't know on tomorrow night. I do believe Sheffield are Favourites as their home form has been phenomanal all season, and if they get through, i will certainly be at Leicester next Monday to watch the 1st Leg. Good luck to both sides.

I think if anyone had offered BV a 12 lead to take to Owlerton they'd have taken it. I went to the KO Cup Tigers v Aces meeting, Lemon cost BV that fixture not swapping Bailey for Mountain in heat 14. I'm certain in terms of aggregate score the meeting would have been decided before heat 15 took place. The Aces reserve pairing are not as strong now as then & the Tigers pair have improved. That said Kurtz had a poor night. The league meetings have all gone Sheffield's way. The gates will dictate the racing, gate 3 is usually awful at the start of the meeting so winning the toss is vital. If Woffinden was riding I wouldn't give Belle Vue any hope but I think it is well poised. One thing is certain Lidsey needs to turn up. Which doesn't occur too regularly away from NSS.

The “bend 2 barmy army” only been going couple years most sheff fans find them embarrassing. Bend 3 and 4 fans at owlerton great atmosphere and no hostility at all towards away fans, I was talking with the Ipswich lot last week all good banter

Minority give the majority a bad name, even as a Sheffield fan I cringe at the Bend2 clowns trying to be equivalent of football Stone Island brigade with their repetitive idiotic chanting when they’ve gone past the line on more than one occasion

If you call abusive behaviour towards kids a grudge then fine I have a grudge Did you read the part where I said how it was nice talking to the Sheffield fans and management at Foxhall recently? But yes the behaviour of a minority of Sheffield fans that night was a disgrace …. Add in the fact that Jack Holder rides for your team and you can see why I don’t want Sheffield to win lol

Not one to hold a grudge are you gavan? 😉

The fact that everyone is eager to believe the story without any evidence, should be a wake up call to Jack Holder to improve his attitude & actions, after all he is a professional sportsman, representing his sponsors / clubs / country. Had this story been about Emil Sayfutdinov, I would not have believed it at all!

You’ve no idea what got said to him only seeing his response, social media is an absolute nightmare for people hiding behind computer screens to abuse others.

I think you can rule out any Poles next season after the Musielak and Tarasenko shenanigans.

Being honest wouldn't have a problem with them all back - I think in many ways we all know a fully fit Witches would in all probability have made it to the finals this season. Most of the riders have for me done their jobs for most of the season a couple of frustrations remain but for next year - i think Brennan if they could get him in that would be great. Doyle of course and Emil again be great but lets see! Dan T deserves and other go and Keynan Rew could make it a third season of progression - he's done well this season for me. Adam is a decent no 2 or 4 also. I still don't have an issue with Danny he has largely done whats asked but I feel Tom B for him might freshen it up and bring in a rider on the up rather than one who is nearing the end of his career.

You must remember Jack Millen and Frank Aufrett.Thing they had a slight disagree whenever they met if I remember correctly.

I'm bit old school and worry about home wins first rather than away averages personally so would gladly have JP back. Yes foord is certainly entertaining on the track would be brilliant if was a possibility. Think he's south coast based though which might be an issue.

“Thank you to all our riders, guests, sponsors and fans for a fantastic year and we will have another crack at it next season.” - James Denham

Some great racing,Young Luke put Palm Toft and Howarth to shame.Luke is a prospect with a great racing brain.Roynon is terrible commentator.In with the bricks though.