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So we're now in the situation whereby we have a ridiculous scoring system because the winner of the GP MUST have the most amount of points but that winner could have finished 10th in the qualifying heats! Utter madness!

Until teams announce their full 1-7 how can anybody say a team is weak at reserve

I think it’s a great idea, just do it big John.

And gives us even less racing for our money.

Tbh if the other clubs are doing nothing to help Birmingham & even raiding their top riders, I wonder should Birmingham pull out of the league? Hope Tolley doesn't let his heart rule his head & go bankrupt. While it's not the job of others clubs to keep Birmingham competitive, surely they know there's a very good chance it'll soon be a 6 team Premiership, is that what they want? Re Brennan if a club doesn't want to use their own asset isn't his current team supposed to have "first refusal" on him?

Bewley, Kurtz, Emil And Doyle, TWICE!!! What's not to like..?

Probably more likely to be Keith McGhie, he's certainly been the Redcar SS "correspondent" in the past.

You could have yes, but that wouldn’t be wise would it? That’s why you’ve made the change you have, it’s suits your club. As for “poach others”, your team has poached Zach Cook that Birmingham pencilled in to their team. You’ve done that out of pure self interest, because it’s a change you simply had to make. As said above, if you really wanted to be helpful, you could have not signed one of your top three and helped others below be more competitive. But you haven’t done that have you? Your club acts no differently to Ipswich or Sheffield. All three clubs have retained their top heatleaders, which is their right to do so. Perhaps you should be congratulating Ipswich for being loyal to riders of this Country? Five Brits I make that in the Ipswich team. Lovely to see. How many have Belle Vue got?

I suppose that depends on whether you want to watch live speedway or only watch it if you win. I much prefer to see good racing, whoever wins rather than boring victories but I know others think differently. I've seen some good meeting where my team has lost sometimes by quite a margin.

There’s no way he really believes the drivel he comes out with so he’s blatantly fishing for bites. Stop jumping straight in to his net 😉 Everyone is fully aware Belle Vue do what’s best for Belle Vue, just like every other club.

No disrespect to either, but .. If those two are One and Five then they may as well shut... Edit. Or some way of allowing them to run in Div 2 on Mondays is found.. No point in Birmingham limping along just making up the numbers, and, if the plan is to move somewhere else, then far better to be seen as successful in Div 2 than out of their depth in Div 1.. Neither title means much outside the few who follow the sport anyway, so either league will get similarly noticed, so locally, winning most weeks could help attendances...

1 Cook 8.42 2 Lightcap 5.00 3 Jenkins 6.21 4 Gilkes 5.08 5 Zischke 6.96 6 Trigger 3.00 7 Bailey 4.97 Total 39.64 From what i heard on Friday night this team isnt going to be far away! Cant say who i have added but i have 5 certs and on good authority the rest are 'Done Deals'.

You been on the same stuff as complin? Jesus christ

Dont see why not. No team can have riders with averages of less than 2.00 so by definition this pair must be among the lowest / weakest in the league. Bear in mind neither actually achieved 2.00 and they were particularly weak away from home.

I think you're underrating Lynn purely because you're comparing them to Ipswich. Any team will look weak compared the the rumoured Witches 25 line up. I'd also disagree that King & Ellis are better than Iversen & Klindt, but there's not a lot in it. Even if the Lynn side is "bang average" that's still an improvement on their last few seasons. Plus an average side could make the top 4.

He has, thats why he's Poole bound

If there's only enough riders (willing to race in GB) to fill SIX teams at a 40 point limit, then how can that be the points limit for a SEVEN team league? I guess if the other 6 teams vote for a 40 point limit not much Brummies can do about it. If there was a 39 point limit, freeing up riders for Birmingham, they league would have the same riders in it, they'd just be spread out more evenly rather than some clubs having more heat leaders than others. At the end of the day, you'd still get some strong looking teams with a 39 limit, someone still has to win the league, this doesn't make it harder for anyone, just more equal for everyone. Very disappointed with every Prem club for only looking out for themselves, which is their right (for short term gain) but may be regretted in the future when they have less opponents to race. I also believe Birmingham should have been allowed to compete in the Champ on a Monday. With so few fixtures, just avoid signing Belle Vue riders & arrange fixtures to avoid needing guests depending on the Monday Premiership fixtures.

If the rumours are true , and this is the team , then it's quite an exciting prospect . Bomber will do what Bomber does , score well and entertain us . Dan Thompson could really kick on next season and become the second heat leader . Leon Flint looked to be finally getting the hang of Ashfield towards the end of the season just past. Kyle Howarth is a proven performer and will ride to his average . Young Mr Boughen could be capable of much improvement. Yes the reserves look a bit on the weak side , but they are young lads and you just never know . I'm confident Freddie Hodder can compete adequately in the home fixtures at least .

Brennan did well for us last season, he carried the Team on many occasions until Lindgren arrived. The way I look at it is this. Brennan is the only realistic prospect of a British rider breaking in to SGP full time in next 3-4 years realistically on the horizon. Whether he is good enough is open to question but he has to optimise his chances of doing so. Will he do that carrying a team at Birmingham knowing its 95% sure to close as the Stadium closes in a years time or being a third heat leader behind 2 experienced GP stars at Ipswich, where he could legitimatley stay for a number of years and step up the pecking order in time and learn from those around him, rather than carry them. He will have a solid UK base, is building his profile in Poland and also gaining valuable experience in Sweden. I'd actually argue that had he NOT gone to Ipswich, he'd have been better off riding CL at Poole than PL at Perry Barr in terms of his development in 2025. Thanks for all your efforts Tom, onwards and upwards young man!.

So Riss & Pijper vs Vissing & Ablitt, who would score more combined?

Wright, Mulford, king, Edwards, Riss, ace P, Tom Spencer

We beat Sheffield 3 times at home in 2024 (50-40, 51-39 & 48-42) with a worse 1 to 7 than our predicted one for 2025… so your comment makes no sense whatsoever!! We also beat Belle Vue 51-39 at home

He’s an obvious Troll. People should stop feeding him.

Sometimes the stars align and you can end up with a team heavily featuring British riders. Only last year when injuries cost us the title we had six during the season if you also include our No8. The Aces and the Brummies (with two junior sides) have a clear program of British youth development. Ipswich do not thought I do applaud your team that will feature five Brits this coming season, well done. Raising this as a point scoring attempt has failed spectacularly, again well done.

Connor is 100% not riding speedway next season according to Gavin Parr on the latest Official British Speedway podcast

You know that won’t be the Team .

The 2025 team has to excite at least on paper. In my opinion this team just doesn't cut it.

The issue here is the sport simply isn’t popular enough. We have had 40 years of the product being watered down in terms of lowering points limits to try & even things out however that has been totally unsuccessful in halting the decline in attendance figures or the number of tracks operating. Granted some tracks have been lost to housing but that’s not the case for the vast majority. The only way to save this sport is a proper plan & a rebirth, it needs to become more popular to survive.

Don’t put that kind of negative energy in to the atmosphere, I’d rather have 6 riders.

Can we get this pinned? Mods…..

I never said all seven were Brits did I Geoffrey. A shock to absolutely nobody that you can’t read because you’re as thick as mince. To help you a little, I’ll repeat what I said. FIVE Brits in the Ipswich septet, is damn good going and lovely to see.

Agree with everything @Beirao said, 2 riders who didn't meet the minimum 2.00 averages can only be described as a weak pairing. Even if every team had 2 x 2.00 riders I'd say they were all equally weak. Good luck to the reserves, always good to see Brits getting team places & hopefully they'll improve.

No, but the entertainment is usually better and that's more important at my age !☺️

Don't know what points limit you've built to, but that looks horrendous. If it's a low points limit might be ok, but other (rumoured) line-ups suggest it'll be a 40 limit. Edit: that team only comes to 34.78

No they don't

yep that masters track would have been a test for anybodys shoulder!!

Zagar has retired, only did a handful of meetings last year. I guess he could be tempted back for a good pay day, but father time has caught up with Matej, like it does with all riders eventually.

Bang average side that one Our heat leaders Doyle Emil and Brennan very superior to Cook Kvech and Lawson… 2 of those were second strings last year …. Ellis and King better than Iversen and Klindt Harris should do better than Dan T and maybe not much between Boughen and Jenkins A team that might scrape 4th but injuries aside miles off of Ipswich Sheffield and Belle Vue

2024 averages Inc bonus, Ellis 6.92 Rew 6.19. Bearing in mind their riding positions, including Adam is the obvious choice imo. If Brennan is the last rider, it's a cracking team...

Birmingham wouldn't then be in the top division. Both Birmingham & Oxford are only there because those 2 clubs have gone.

Farcical

Personally I would have preferred Rew to Ellis, Rew will only get better.

With Pete Adams involved I think he could rip Leicester's 1-7 to pieces if they haven't actually signed as I think riders like Masters and Douglas would love to team up with Pete again. However if Pete doesn't get involved then it's not looking good brev. (With Pete) 1. Lindgren 8.13 2. S. Worrall 5.69 3. Masters 7.32 4. Douglas 7.30 5. Thorssell 7.33 6. Palm Toft 4.13 or Voulas 4.13 7. Edwards (RS) = 39.90 (Without Pete) I know it's awful! 1. (7.50 Assessed rider?) 2. Sedgmen 4.79 3. S. Worrall 5.69 4. Lampart 4.93 5. Thorssell 7.33 6. Kerr 4.77 7. Edwards (RS)

Makes it all more of a lottery... meh

Please don’t bracket Belle Vue with Ipswich & Sheffield on this matter, there is just no comparison, sadly.

Don’t think Ipswich would build 3 points below the limit.. I believe they tried!! Ultimately riders will go where they want to go. Rew isn’t at Belle Vue. Unless his sudden availability has tempted them to now swap him for Zach Cook. It’ll Be Jason Doyle surely. Leave the new man in the team until last.

Were the sprint races well attended by those at the GPs? It seems a novelty gimmick to me and not really worthy of standings points. If it’s genuine qualifying then that’s qualification for the main event or if it’s practice then the riders should be free to do as they please. Neither should be treated as actual competition with serious rewards at stake.

Kyle Howarth has not signed for any Premiership team yet. I know this for a fact.

No-one would deny that. But Leicester have to drop points from the 2024 side. They wouldn't choose Howarth for Lawson because they think it's strengthening up.

In the relegation play-offs between the teams that finish 5th to 8th in the regular season, the 2 semi winners will be safe and the losers will meet each other with the loser relegated. The winner will then meet the loser of the Extraleague 2 play-off final to decide who is in Extraleague and Extraleague 2 the following season. This could mean that the team who finishes 5th in the Extraleague regular season could be relegated !! - seems a bit harsh !!!