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If he did what an ill thought thing to say!

Wells to me was always 50/50 re making the list. PK to me is a clear heat leader! I thought someone asked the question about the future with Cradley crowds solid and wolves crowds down?To be honest the question of crowds down = losing money maybe subjective due to reduced costs the past 2 seasons. It might have been better to ask that if they feel wolves crowds are holding or are down and for what reasons do they suggest. It's abundantly clear from standing on the terraces that crowd levels are down and decreased towards the end of the season.

Wells presumably is on the list as second string along with PK. Both part of the back up plan. I'd assumed Wells couldn't double up due the limit on years doubling up which CVS said was set in stone, but would be be broken when there aren't enough riders to go round. More stumbling along as you go it seems at the top table!

Possibly, let's wait and see.

CVS says we will be 'gobsmacked' when the last 2 places are announced. Maybe let's wait and see if that's the case before we make any decisions. Maybe we are signing Dudek or Vaculik on a 4 point average. I'd be gobsmacked if that happened!

As nothing has been announced its assumed Edinburgh.

Absolutely, huge self interest. The answer given was that the shared role might make the mystery rider want to also only do part a season and force the promotion to look elsewhere for another number one. What, like every other team you mean? !!!!! Short sighted and self interest seems the case and minority wins by the sounds of it.

So what is clear about what we now know? - the race format is the same as this season. - there were 18 riders on the HL list so not all teams will have 3 (assessed) heat leaders. These riders were graded by all promotions. - The HL leader list was to ensure teams got at least 1 or 2 from that list. - averages will count when determining the race order, not the HL list. - only tier 1 reserves will move up not tier 2. Both get new averages. - shared jobs and 2 day race night is likely to be considered as way forward in 2017. - the 'hidden' lists are likely to be public in January.

At a guess either belle Vue, Coventry or Poole.

we all know the EL is a state. However British speedway is in a state so ALL leagues are guilty. just worry about having 2 dodgy Poles and the weakest reserves in the EL. That should keep you busy. Wake up. If you believe the PL Is in a healthy state then you have lost the plot!

Must admit I was taken aback when it was announced the race format hasn't changed. After discussing all the things they (AGM) got wrong and sort to rectify the race programme to most of us is part of that problem so I find it baffling. But yes they will, but then so did the 4 point foreigners who were assessed wrongly for years as well. Hopefully some common sense will prevail for the draft riders and maybe they will continue to refer to their PL averages for next season also.

Sounds perfect to me.

Confirmed that race format remains the same. Averages every 2 weeks.

Beat you by a minute

News from tonight's talk in. -Lindgren, Kylmakorpi and Bech confirmed 3 heat leaders.* -Lindgren starts the season as second string. -heat leader/draft list available from January (assuming for supporters). The list was graded by the promotions and BSPA. -Howarth only reserve on EL average (due to being in 1-5 this season). -There is a plan A for the last places and CVS says 80% sure. Says we will be very happy with them. PK and Ricky are part of other team ideas not main plan. Both are aware. Ricky is disappointed whereas PK isn't ultra keen to come back to UK. -PA suggested shared number one roles (and job shares for other roles) was asked to canvas the top boys and Poles. All agreed they would be happy to come over for less meetings. One promoter wasn't keen as he was in advanced talks with a rider for a full season and didn't want that jeapodised (self interest ??) Likely to happen in 2017*. -Track share - CVS thinks it won't be a problem. Will probably be 1st and 3rd Monday of each month (includes B/hols). Poland fixtures permitting. -Averages change every 2 weeks to ensure riders aren't stuck in riding positions too long. All riders get new averages each time but only tier 1 riders move up and down team order. Tier 2 riders stay at reserve all season.* Joonas - concentrating on Speedway and approached Wolves. Bech - suprisingly was still available and wants to ride for Wolves. Fred - couldn't get out of rut this season and was given a mild reception when name was announced. Max - is full of himself but is keen and listens (CVS words).A younger rider preferred at number 7.Ash may have been considered but with no PL place make naming him difficult. Skornicki - is planning to race again and is probably looking for PL place. Unlikely to be back with Wolves in the future. Jacob - is still in team permutations. Didn't specify if plan A or not. (That's probably a yes then!) Joel Andersson - not being considered for 2016. - * NO CHANGES ON RACE FORMAT.* - CVS was asked about an independent body to run the sport but said there was no such thing as independence. There is a ref that has a Belle Vue tattoo! " are we targeting any Swindon riders? " - NO. (So no bachelor hurrah!!!) - safety issues. Nothing at present although they are looking at what is behind the fences in the near future. Darcy and Rico were freak accidents. Sudden Sam is looking at developing bikes that need less maintainence and help cut costs. *NEW RULE ON CONCUSSION - 9 day break Europe wide. * Wolves have 3 off the heat leader list. Not all teams will. *WOLVES VOTED BEST RACE TRACK OF THE YEAR by referees AGAIN. * It wasn't mentioned if Wells was a heat leader. And he won't be because he is being considered with PK if plan A doesn't happen.

I'm talking about world class riders Jacques, not GP flops.we already have one of them I think our blonde is better tho

Fantastic news Matej is back, certainly gives the EL extra kudos with him in it.

In all honesty i think most of us think the same, but the ridiculous absence of this supposed list is just making everyone make assumptions without any real basis. If andersen, for example, is a second string at Poole whilst Freddie (who's average is lower!) Is a heat leader it's going to be a farce.

Have we? Where is the list or press release that confirms it then?

rumours, might know more in 24 hrs time tho! Potentially 2 Poles that could be on their way out before May starts. Loving the team building.

Might make no difference. Lambert started as second string and finished 2nd in the Stars final averages whilst Andersen started as heat leader and finished 2nd string and is rumoured to be second string at Poole! The only thing that could clear it up is this elusive HL list!

Me too. Makes complete sense now. They could tinker with the number 7 heats. But it should revert to the previous format now.

it's only speculation who is or isn't on the list and if PK is not coming back right now. Nothing official announced on either. Again, that's the speculation. No indication that's true or not.

Nobody has been declared as a heat leader by wolves and there is no list that confirms either way. It's all just speculation right now. Hans and Freddie should both be classed as HL tho. Because he has never ridden as a HL.