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troll One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

I dont. Shovlar is a troll as a definition of one is someone who purely posts to wind others up a la Robert72. Huge difference between a troll and a fool. i dont believe for one second Shovlar is a fool unlike the other chap in the thread title (not me lol) I hav some great debates on here with many Poole fans ..........its just the odd couple that annoy me Erm nope. Im argumentative i give you that. Call me names i dont have an issue (unless its against my family). But hell do not tar me with the same intellect as Starman..........thats cruelty beyond the pale and i will have to report you

Really?? Or do all riders never want to leave Poole. I remember Poole fans saying that Holder or Ward would never ride anywhere else! Riders will go where they can to ride speedway simple as. Even if Poole could fit him in whose to say they would and whose to say he would ride there? Poole could fit Holder in this season but chose not to

Missing the point entirely. even if they were both number 1 in the their teams if KK scored 13 and Cook only 9, those 4 points can be made up by better team building lower down so in that sense yes you would have Cook every time. As for who is the better rider its clearly KK but from the start of all this that was never the question. You clearly stated on the Belle Vue thread that me and Stevebrum said that Cook was the better rider............we never did..............you showed that your simply a liar to try and prove a point Wasting your time mate...........he made stuff up as usual and tries to lead things in a different direction. Ive askd him before who is the better rider.......Holder or KK? He hasnt answered as quite clearly Holder is the better rider yet Poole fans want KK and prefer him.............same reasoning as why people would prefer Cook over KK............strange why he thinks its fine for people to prefer KK over Holder but not Cook over KK......................hypocrite springs to mind.........blue blindness as always

Mark had left Ipswich by then. Louis , Norris and Dean Standing plus Moggo were the main riders

Dont start that up again lol. I for one hope Kyle Newman kicks on as he rides for us now. Fact is he has been at the same level for a number of seasons so why would this season be any different.........though he did beat Tai last year lol. As i said nothing against the lad but he needs to step up and him Auty and Howarth all much of a muchness

Wow and then a thread starts up which completely misses the whole point!! NOBODY HAS SAID THAT COOK IS BETTER THAN KASPRZAK!!!! I hope thats clear because im totally confused as to why there is a thread on this. The discussion was wether the Poole top 3 (KK, Hans, Kurtz) was miles better as Shovlar said than a proposed Belle Vue top 3. (Cook, Fricke, Steve Worrall). The discussion was that on averages there was .70 between KK and Cook and that for team building purposes Belle Vue are not losing out to much by having Cook. Poole let a better rider than Kasprzak go in Holder but that seems to have been missed. So just for those who have totally missed the point:..................Kasprzak v Cook was never the question Is there a more pointless thread on the forum that isnt even relevant!!

did i say that?? Was merely quoting a line from a rider. Mark Loram rode down there and enjoyed his time there saying that although the track was awful , many riders bottled it before they even came to the tapes

The discussion isnt about preferring Cook over KK and for whatever reason Shovlar decides to blatantly lie on his posts. Told me and Stevbrum we think that Cook is better than KK. Nobody said that yet he feels the need to post it. KK is the better rider but for team building you may want Cook. Shovlar has been most vocal about how KK is better for Poole than Holder due to the averages, so why is it any different if Belle Vue fans want Cook? The man has been made to look what he is a troll and a liar

yes it was the point being made!!!! Nobody anywhere was saying Cook is better than KK!!! You are the only person trying to make it into that!!! People may prefer Cook in their team as they know what the will get and you don't always with KK. You have been made to look foolish and made things up and now can't get out of it your banging your head against a brick wall!! Nobody has said Cook is the better rider so I've no idea where Shovlar gets that. Guess he loves trolling

so who is the better rider Holder or KK?? Holder is the better rider yet you prefer KK it's not hard to get reallyTry firstly to read what people write then secondly try to understand it!!!!

Lol hello erm if its a choice you dont pick the lesser rider???????????? I seem to think that Poole let Holder go and picked a lesser rider in KK???? Or have you ignored that??? Its about team building and if by picking Cook that gives Belle Vue better options lower down than surely its the right move?? Or is it just Poole that its ok to pick the lesser rider???? You clearly stated its the right choice for Poole to have KK over Holder so are you now changing your mind?? Please answer why its ok for you to say its ok to have KK over Holder , but not ok for Belle Vue to have Cook over KK?? Troll troll troll

Had Holder for breakfast?? They met each other 5 times and KK won 3 of them and yes he passed Holder on the first bend of one of those. I see you fail to mention that he scored 4 in one meeting and 13 in the other. The meeting he got 4 i he won heat one then tailed off.................so yes KK can pas but he is so inconsistent yet you amazingly fail to acknowledge that

I remember when Ipswich rode there 91 or 92 not sure but 3 of our riders ended up in hospital Norris and Standing in particular out for a length of time due to the home riders pretty much being out of control and Green was one of those. Always remember Jamie Habbin when he rode for Peterborough..............' The track is dangerous, the riders are dangerous and if they ever decide to bulldoze the place let me know i will be first in line'

He wont he is a troll nothing more. He likes to try and single out victims on here and makes up things to try and suit his argument. He goes on other threads like Wolves and Leicester and belittles everything, he done it to great effect on the Coventry thread as well. He is a liar pure and simple. By all means disagree with someone but when you have to resort to lying about peoples posts to try and look good it shows the mans level im afraid

nope they didnt Its called trolling he is the master of it, also the master of making up lies so he can have a pop at individuals on here. Check out the threads he posts on and everybody calls him out on it

KK should average more than Cook Fricke should average more than Andersen Steve Worrall and Kurtz fairly similar. So yes not much between the top 3 of both sides. And what crap you spout about 'if that was Pooles top 3'...........You pick your riders based on what they would do at home so no way in the world can Cook , Fricke and Worrall average as much as the Poole boys at Wimborne Road, nor would i expect Andersen or Kurtz to average what the Belle Vue boys do at home. You just spout gibberish to try and prove a point. Oh and troll try reading what i write. Not once have i or Stevebrum said that Cook is better than KK.............you need a trip to specsavers clown. Oh no sorry you make up lies to try and get a point across. Also i never said Belle Vues heat leaders were better than Pooles.......again you make things up. If you have to lie all the time makes you look kind of stupid Best top 3 in the leagues: 1. Kings Lynn 2. Wolves 3. Poole.

Why is it anti Poole agenda? Nothing between Fricke and Andersen on averages last season. One rider is on the way up and the other on the way down im sure most would agree with that. This season i would expect Fricke to average more than Andersen its called an opinion. Shovlar trolled the thread saying he thought Belle Vues top 3 were weak and they would end up near the bottom with Leicester. My opinion is that if Belle Vue had a top 3 of Cook, Fricke and Worrall then in my view it would be as good as if not better than Pooles. Of course the other 4 riders Belle Vue use could make them a much weaker side than Poole., and as of yet we dont know Belle Vues top 3

Shovlar is probably enjoying this as that is his sole purpose on here to wind people up by posting stuff he knows isnt factual then sits back and watches everyone.

What a load of rubbish but par for the course. Just over half a point between KK and Cook last year. Not much really and KK isnt exactly getting any better and Cook might. I would say KK is the better rider still but nothing between them and its how you build the rest of the side thats important. Pooles top 3 certainly isnt the strongest in the league but their second strings are. And along with having the second strongest reserve in the league in Klindt its that what makes Poole strong. Belle Vues top 3 is as strong as Pooles but that wont mean anything if the rest of the side is poor.

KK was 0.6 better than Cook last season, thats not much and out of the 2 maybe Cook will improve. Fricke and Andersen averaged the same last season and Hans wasnt a heat leader for some of that. I would expect the improving Fricke to average more than Andersen who isnt going to get better Granted nothing between Kurtz and Worrall. So not much between Belle Vues heat leaders and Pooles in my opinion. The troll said with those 3 heat leaders Belle Vue will struggle with Leicester. Im merely pointing out that nothing between Belle Vues top 3 and Pooles , therefore if he thinks one will struggle then so would the other! Just tongue in cheek aimed at someone whose sole purpose is to wind others up

Ah you got to love a troll. Cook only marginally behind Kasprzaks average Fricke is 0.07 behind Andersen who is on the downgrade and Fricke on the way up Steve Worrall is better than Jack Holder as the third heat leader Your trolling comments are laughable If you think Belle Vue will struggle then so will Poole. As a Brit would like to see him kick on more

on a par with most sides top 3 though Wolves and Lynns look stronger

I agree with that statement. With my work and family i pick the meetings i go to at Ipswich. Last season for example i went to Somerset (twice) Newcastle , Sheffield , Glasgow and Edinburgh. Had no interest in Redcar or Berwick meetings for example. When we thrashed everyone in 1998, it was such a boring season to watch, great that we won but sometimes by huge margins and no thrills at all

Shock horror. Is there any team that looks any good to you?? I would fancy Poole will beat most teams at home but i would expect Poole to get beat on the road and be thumped at Rye House and Wolves. Cant see Poole doing much at Leicester either. Gomolski will want to prove a point after being promised a place then tossed aside by Poole Leicester now have the best reserve in the league which will stand them in good stead.