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Im confused. Are we talking about meeting reserve - you know, the one that stands in once a meeting has started for tape exclusions and a rider getting injured during the meeting, No's 17,18 or we talking about the 3 series reserves picked at the beginning of the year to replace riders who get injured during the season and have to miss a GP or GPs. In the situation of Aussie GP we surely must be talking about the 3 series reserves which were I think Kildemand, Fricke and Smolinski. Another was needed and they put Milik in. We at the situation because of Fricke a replacement for him will need to be in - that should be Milik or another nominated...... but not one of the 2 meeting reserves (17,18)

Interesting

Somewhere in my mind I understood Milik would not get a ride at Aussie GP. That was because NKI was back riding, So as Milik was 3rd reserve he would miss out. Now with Fricke out that gives Milik a go again. Cant be bad.

Can BV afford the likes of Zagar if, as the rumour I heard, he was on £5k a meeting????????????

Is S Worell out of favour, seems most predictions dont mention him ???

If that meeting was fixed last night I would be surprised that the score line went as it did. If fixed, I would suggest the home team would have lost by say 2 or 4 at home, and 10-12 away - more plausible then a 26 point home loss as it was. Relegation/Promotion should be done as in football - (but only) the top team goes up and the bottom team goes down. Its logical that a team going up would have to strengthen for a year in Premiership, that they would do between seasons. Having a straight play off at the end of a season, for it to be any sort of a great meeting (great enough to be televised) then the Premier league team would have to be really naff, and the Champions league team something really special for it to be a real success with real meaning. Clearly that wasn't so. Long time since I seen the Sheffield track (albeit on tv) and it look good and could produce good racing I'm sure, but for TV viewing, that was really poor last night, and there is a thought generally that "what you see last you remember first", well if that statement be true when BT comes to decide whether they take on British speedway in 2018 then I fear there will be no contract. And that's another reason I cant see last night was fixed, surely riders and promotors would know that TV companies need to show a good spectacle to keep viewers paying for the service. Another reason I don't think the meeting would have been fixed is that riders earn their money by scoring points. So who is saying Sheffield riders last night didn't want to earn a good wage last night? Or they had their wages made up? - if so by whom. Which promotor has enough money to just pay out quiet a sum of money to lose a much? Apart from anything else, if true, match fixing on the scale it was last night would be truly a serious offence liable for a big punishment. Just my thoughts.

Good to hear there are so many training tracks about.

So, does ANYBODY know for a fact .... 1) he qualified from a meeting where it was declared that a rider would get first reserve at the Aussie 2017 GP or 2) he qualified by virtue of retiring and the Aussies thought it would be "nice" to make Aussie GP 2017 his final meeting.

Its an "Ouch" from me.

OK, if Davy Watt qualified then fair do.

I dont know Davy Watts or what he has done in his speedway career, and I suppose there is no harm in him being meeting reserve. But I do think that having a youngster in that spot (maybe Morris/Kurtz) would be an opportunity to let them soak up the atmosphere of a home GP from the pit perspective - after all, they are likely to be there one day whilst the likes of a Davy Watt is not. And any case, if Austrailian speedway wanted to celebrat his riding career then shouldnt that be done at an Australian level and not a world level. Just my opinions.

O dear, that's not so good news then.. Unless there is another reason for his relatively poor form. His pass on Kildemand in Stockholm was brilliant, he did a v.good pass last night. But overall he is lack lustre. ANd last week in Pardubice he didn't make the final, which he won last year. Re Max Fricke - he was unconscious, I have no doubt about that, and IMO in that state while he was still being thrown about according to video clips I seen. Best thing was done - withdraw him from the meeting. Hope he is there in Aussie for the next GP. Re trophies, when I saw the first one being carried to the podium I thought "that's a proper trophy". But then I realised what it was and changed my mind quickly - they were as bad as the 4 different coloured piano keys we seen too much of this year. I know TW got criticised for giving away his 2016 WTC medal to a young girl, and believe he threw his Prem League runner up medal into the BV crowd, but more then likely a lot of riders probably don't display them, some riders probably win all sorts as they rising up the success ladder that it would take massive amount of room to display them. Make it a proper cup, or glass trophy (if say in Czech etc) for the winner, medals for 2nd/3rd in the GPs, and a trophy each for 1,2,3 in the world championship at the end of the year.

Another good meeting, but lacking some sparkle that has been present at some other GPs this year. Obviously Doyle was looking after himself, but by doing so probably made it hard work, some of his races were tough. TW very much in with a chance of a medal at the end of the Aussie GP, Janowski has blown it. I reckon FL will be kicking himself - a chance of 2nd or 3rd in the world missed. He will remember 2017 as the year he won the PLRC, lost a league winners medal, but by far the worst - he lost a chance of 2nd or 3rd in the world. That chance may have gone now, unless he can really put it together next year. Lindback fizzle has gone out, such an exciting rider when riding well, just ordainary when he is off the boil. Maybe the last time we see him in the GPs. I reckon Piotr Pawlicki will be well gutted, he drops out of the GP, and his brother comes in. AArgh! Emil, whats wrong with him, not gating well, off the pace more times then he is on it. He says he having engine problems. Well do what others do, change engine tuners. Roll on the final GP in Aussie, could be interesting. I dont think the Poles will gang up on Doyle, as someone suggested. They dont seem to have team rode this year at all - well different to what it may have been in the 60's/70's

Hancock NKI NP FL (if he needs it-he may hang on to 8th) Milik, Lebedevs Fricke will be the first 3 reserves

If he makes the rostrum tonight, and I hope he does, he must be in line for a wild card next year. Hes done well already in the few GPs he had this year, and won the Golden Helmet in Pardubice last week.

Its sad to think that Freddie has lost any chance of being in the world top 3, and conceivably he could finish outside the top 8, though I am sure he will be offered a wild card if that was the case. Certainly is a caseof....what could have been.

As its being televised it will be over within 2 hours, barring no accidents.

At times I not sure Zmarzlik has all his marbles.

Could be early season 2018, early April. Two problems I see with that - tough meeting and riders are not match fit, and, riders need winter months to get sponsors (money) and time to get a regime to take them through 12 GP's. So on one hand, it sounds a good idea, in practice its not so good.

Thanks for that, I remember watching Edmund Migos on his visits to the UK.

Thanks to DutchGrasstrack for the live link. Really good meeting, Drabik deserved the acolades. Its a very wide track, Saturdays meeting will have 6 riders per heat. I think for 4 rider meeting they ought to 4 gates marked out in the space, perhaps, of 3. Outside rider would still have the same space on first bend to do a swoop round.

Opening pit gates for stoppages due to tape infringements, just wave the riders round. 2 minutes on striaght away. Dont mind pit gates opening if there has been a crash and rider needs to sort himself out or his bike.

Just read that Freddie is out for the rest of the season. He had a chance of being 2nd or 3rd in the world championship (you dont get many chances) and threw it away at BV on Friday night. Threw it away,and for what - British Premiership Champion medal. I know which one I would rather have, and its a WC medal. Just cant understand his judgement - then I remember whats been said "speedway riders leave their brains at the pit gate". All the work this year thrown away in one race - and the video clip I seen isnt that good but looks to me if the cause of the Bjerre crash was Freddies.

What does the current ruling say about wild cards? Whether or not it says anything at all, it has now become custom and practice to consider for the 4 wild card places any that finish out of the top 8, whether it be for reason of injuries or "hard luck", lack of form or whatever. What I would not like to see it that more places are given to fresh faces. This year there are 3 fresh faces coming from the GP Challenge, to me that is enough fresh faces for one gp year. Reason being its tough in the GPs, and not everyone getting into can perform at the highest level consistently over a gp season. So keep it as it is....... and just consider one of the main benefits - as it is, it provides lots of discussion on the BSF, without the current wild card it would leave the forum fairly quiet.