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Unfortunately I believe that is our top 5 for 2025 🙈 unless there’s a bit of averages manipulation early doors to get a 5 pointer in for the 3 point reserve that team won’t be picking up a trophy, we got stung lower down the order this season and will be the same next

Basically need that top 4 to get 43 points each meeting to have a chance of a win. Rowe’s average is inflated as 95% based riding in reserve berth, he’ll struggle to maintain a 4 point average at number 2, as for Gilles and Edwards we’ve been there done that and neither really cut the mustard. Personally would rather have something a par like Harris/Howarth instead of Woffinden/Gilkes.

I know it doesn’t solve the heat leader back up but can see Kyle Howarth being surplus to requirements at Sheffield (ridiculous if what I’ve heard is correct as nobody better on a 5.05 average around Owlerton) and becoming the number 6 for Leicester in 2025. Definitely an improvement on what’s been there in 2024 and had plenty laps around there when captain in the Championship

Wish you’d take Woffinden 😆, would rather have both Holder’s as Sheffield heat leaders

Woffinden back at Sheffield in 2025 so he’s out of the Oxford plans.

You wonder if he bought the club just to make it easier for his kid to practice whenever he wanted. What he will have paid for the club won’t have put a dent in his net worth. You wonder if when William turns 16 if he doesn’t become the Aces RS after riding for the Colts this season and agreeing to do 2025 also

This Ekstraliga 2 Thursday issue that’s getting a lot of airtime on here isn’t as big as it looks. For example Sheffield started their season middle of March and finished end of September, in that period there was 9 Thursdays unused, pretty sure Polish fixtures will be out well ahead of British ones so surely with big of jiggery pokery the fixtures could easily be accommodated to fit in the 12 TV fixtures from Poland

Any team with Emil and Doyle in will be up there challenging

So from the chit chat in the Panorama Room at the Woffinden talk last night the latest Sheffield news was Woffinden, Pickering and Rowe in the 2025 team with Pickering given the captain role. Assuming with that then one of the Holder’s is going and Howarth also, shame on both counts as Holder’s would have at least kept their average and Howarth a steal on his average team building wise as can easily improve that

Blame Morris for that, still waiting for the influx of ‘top riders’ from Ekstraliga who were to be allowed to ride in UK if Thursdays were given up.

Jack (8.85) - better start to the 2025 season could push to a 9.25 Kyle (5.05 inc Brit reduction ) - difficult number 2 spot, has ability to add up to up to 1.00 to 2025 starting average Chris (8.79) - should be able to retain average in 2025 Josh (6.74) - starts 2025 like he ended 2024 could push to a 7.25 Tai (8.45 inc Brit reduction) - massive risk including in 2025 team after again missing another big chunk of a season, can only see average going south due to that Jason (3.48 inc Brit reduction) - reached his threshold at number 6 with Owlerton as his home track, would increase average if allowed as RS in 2025 Dan- (3.18 inc Brit reduction) - maybe time for a change of scenery for his benefit as not moved on as expected in RS spot

When are we going to start seeing some team announcements, or do we have to wait for the annual pi$$ up/AGMin Spain to be finished in November? Every other country making riders as per usual just the usual dawdling around by British teams

Think Howarth is on a false average, he’s regularly had to do 6 rides a meeting to cover for MPT being injured in middle and end of season, it’s always difficult to maintain an average when that’s the case as usually means racing the opposition number 1 or 5 like 4 times a meeting (two regular, ht15 and R/R ride). He could be a steal for someone this season, think he’s based down south so it might be more down to travelling than numbers

Easy choice really keep the Holder bros. Nobody knows how Woffinden will come back from this latest injury so always a risk especially when carrying a high average

Problem Leicester have with their current top 5 is that they have reached their peak and existing averages are only going to go down. They haven’t got someone who you can see adding 0.5-1.0 pro their average . For 2025 they need better consistency from Fricke and someone to step up from the other 4. I’d stick with Fricke, Douglas, Lawson, the Masters/Becker combo is too flaky as shown far too recently. The reserve area need a rethink, going back to Cook, Kerr, Kemp season on season just isn’t working, get in a solid 5 pointer down there like Sedgman, Howarth, Batchelor or even look at a returner like Jakobsen take pressure off the Rising Star. Know it’s easy to point it out but harder to fix it

Cook won’t be riding Wednesday from what I was told in Poland at the weekend, he will be back Thursday for Belle Vue though.

Signed up in Sweden again next season, he’s said before it’s one of Sweden or UK alongside Poland, so can’t see him over here unless comes in pre 75% completion and does back end of season

Big cat next season, done and dusted

Just seen one of Taylor’s pics showing the track looks a tad tacky can see some blading action going your way happen to slicken it off to suit the home team, that’s what track prep and home advantage is all about though.

Do you think certain riders had already been told before the meeting “thank you for 2024 but we won’t be using you in 2025” ? Can’t make my mind up if it was equipment, track, mindset after the Cook crash or if there was another agenda but both Holder’s had an off night for some reason

Well Sheffield ballsed up with Harris as a guest in KO Cup final after announcing he was in the team had to retract it and use R/R instead so mustn’t be any process or procedure to get rubber stamped before announcing a revised team with a guest(s)

Great comment, Kyle’s on a 5 point average (6 when BP’s included, 23 of the for the year) he rides at number 2 with Jack for 3 races each meeting, so Example Emil in front, Jack 2nd place and Kyle 3rd what’s he supposed to do race Jack for the extra point to increase his green sheet average or let Jack concentrate on possibly attacking Emil or sit behind partner pick up the bonus point for finishing behind him? If suddenly Kyle starts leading Jack each race and increases his average to say 6.50 and Jack’s average then goes down to 7.30 the fans (fickle ones anyway) would be on Jack’s case saying he ain’t good enough. Its a team sport in the league and sometimes riders sacrifice their scoring positions to the better rider in the team for the benefit of the team, bigger picture and all that

Get your brush out Lemon, this has May Spring Bank Holiday written all over it if it goes ahead. You’d think Belle Vue would want but off so that they can possibly have track prep’d as they want it rather than as weather makes it, plus gives advantage of second leg at home (unless Thursday is a washout also) The joys of play off speedway in late September (or October) !!

Know we got to the play offs but the top heavy and weak reserves definitely caught us out in the end, hopefully a little bit more solid from 1-6 in 2025. Chris H should be first name on the team sheet, was our rider of the year by a country mile. We all know what Jack’s capable of he’s been around the number 1 race jacket for 4 seasons now and no reason why that can’t continue. Pickering could be a steal at under 7 average if he starts to start seasons as he finishes the previous one, usually takes until mid July for him to get into top gear. Just hope the promotion don’t get hung up on the Woffinden ‘adds to the gate’ factor to include him in the 1-7 as think that’s run it’s cause. Howarth had a very inconsistent season but showed again in the KO cup final away at Ipswich and play off final at home that he’s capable of scoring well against tough opposition, so that 5.05 average could he easily add a point too Would love to see Harris there on that 6.06 average, he’d be good for double digits most weeks around Owlerton and scored well at all the other UK tracks, there’d be less pressure on him with Holder bros and Pickering ahead of him in the averages. Rowe is nailed on and should be comfortable at number 6 to start with, putting pressure on Howarth for the number 2 race jacket. Rising Star I’d like to see someone new, we’ve tried with Gilles and he’s not progressed at all this year, Edwards can be good if he gates but passing especially around Owlerton isn’t his strong point and I bet he’d admit that. Ablitt scored well for the Cubs team Owlerton so could be looked at and if Oxford didn’t want Kileen I’d snap him up in a heartbeat, Foord might be a raw novice but seen him on BSN for Poole beating the other Rising Stars home and away so worth a shot also

Belle Vue need to hope that NKI is on it straight away and no race rustiness as will be knocking on 3 weeks since his last meeting