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15 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

For those who get the speedway star, my point about bikes going no faster these days despite the money spent is on page 23 and just to add heat 1 at Sheffield tonight is the same time as Hans Nielsen in 1985 at owlertonย 

He is the GOAT though ๐Ÿ˜

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7 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

He is the GOAT though ๐Ÿ˜

Well he certainly up there but the point about the progress or lack of it with the bikes still standsย 

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12 hours ago, IainB said:

Don't forget the ยฃ266bn (and counting) student loan book... to pay for folk to go to uni to get a zero hour contract job in an Amazon warehouse, not quite sure who's going to pay that back ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

That's before you get onto the semi funded public sector pension Liabilities, re student loans hundreds of millions have been fleeced by Romanians over recent years, the other legal fiddle is mature students who realize they can work part time and manipulate income down to max out on the living costs loan, equally if your a mature student living on your own you can potentially get council tax down to zero for three years.

You then finish the course and so long as you make sure you never earn over ยฃ28,500 gross per annum (increasing by inflation) again (you can pay any excess above ยฃ28,500 into a pension) you never pay a penny of the loan back.

So work two day per week go to Uni for the other time (1-2) days per week get a tax free living loan and spend your days in beer gardens, you can see why so many are doing it.

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53 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said:

That's before you get onto the semi funded public sector pension Liabilities, re student loans hundreds of millions have been fleeced by Romanians over recent years, the other legal fiddle is mature students who realize they can work part time and manipulate income down to max out on the living costs loan, equally if your a mature student living on your own you can potentially get council tax down to zero for three years.

You then finish the course and so long as you make sure you never earn over ยฃ28,500 gross per annum (increasing by inflation) again (you can pay any excess above ยฃ28,500 into a pension) you never pay a penny of the loan back.

So work two day per week go to Uni for the other time (1-2) days per week get a tax free living loan and spend your days in beer gardens, you can see why so many are doing it.

And the government topping peoples wages up for companies that won't pay a proper wage with universal credit... how on earth this country has got itself into such a mess is unbelievable! Tolley for PM ๐Ÿ˜‚

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49 minutes ago, IainB said:

And the government topping peoples wages up for companies that won't pay a proper wage with universal credit... how on earth this country has got itself into such a mess is unbelievable! Tolley for PM ๐Ÿ˜‚

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2 hours ago, ShanoXtra said:

BB done better than the number one and number five. All that talk of how he isnโ€™t good enough and he showed them up.

Because used his Championship form as a guide. 3 at Glasgow and 3 at Worky and they are considered 'racers' tracks.ย 

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2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I donโ€™t know the percentage that is paid but as I said you do also get revenue from all over the world which are never going to set foot in the stadium and to be honest I donโ€™t think showing on BSN makes a that much of ย a difference to the attendance because you have to pay either way, I think it did on Eurosport because it was free, be interesting to see the crowd at belle vue this Monday because from what Iโ€™m told last Monday v kings Lynn it was very poor and this week v Ipswich itโ€™s on BSN, will it be bigger crowd or smaller ?

Me and my lad will be there weather, (and rider availability permitting), so that is at least two more than last week...

I don't have BSN simply because with Poland, Sweden, SEC, GP and domestic UK Speedway on TNT, all available to be watched, that is "quite enough"....

By Monday I usually have "Speedway fatigue", especially as I am now retired, so I can watch Saturday's Polish meetings as well...

Even Sweden on Tuesday can often be missed, (until the play offs)..

UK Speedway hasn't moved forward one iota with the decades of regular national TV coverage since Sky started showing it, so maybe it's time to ditch it?ย 

Sponsors, however, may be impacted though and they do seem to be the "lifeblood" of many tracks looking at attendance numbers, so maybe the TV coverage is actally keeping some going?ย 

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ย ive got full bsn package, i go to nearly every home meeting, ill be retiring next year, if there is anything happening next year i will be picking my meetings, but its not looking good. my enthusiasm is drifting away.ย 

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3 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Well he certainly up there but the point about the progress or lack of it with the bikes still standsย 

Does it though? Not read the article but progress is not all about speed & heat times.

Without stats obviously but I'd argue that engine reliability is 75% better than 40 years ago.

Back in the day you'd have a couple of engines go pop a meeting, now, you'd be surprised to see one go pop in a month.

Engines now are properly on a par with with 80s tuned engines straight out the box.

Apart from engines, what progress is there to be had as frames / wheels etc are "improved" materials??

Bear in mind that race times are equal to or slower purely because of less material on the race surface

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3 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Well he certainly up there but the point about the progress or lack of it with the bikes still standsย 

Does it though? Not read the article but progress is not all about speed & heat times.

Without stats obviously but I'd argue that engine reliability is 75% better than 40 years ago.

Back in the day you'd have a couple of engines go pop a meeting, now, you'd be surprised to see one go pop in a month.

Engines now are properly on a par with with 80s tuned engines straight out the box.

Apart from engines, what progress is there to be had as frames / wheels etc are "improved" materials??

Bear in mind that race times are equal to or slower purely because of less material on the race surface

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4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I donโ€™t know the percentage that is paid but as I said you do also get revenue from all over the world which are never going to set foot in the stadium and to be honest I donโ€™t think showing on BSN makes a that much of ย a difference to the attendance because you have to pay either way, I think it did on Eurosport because it was free, be interesting to see the crowd at belle vue this Monday because from what Iโ€™m told last Monday v kings Lynn it was very poor and this week v Ipswich itโ€™s on BSN, will it be bigger crowd or smaller ?

Good points, as for Monday i would tend to say smaller if it is then that is a worry with the likes of Dan, Brady, Doyley, and Emil.

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1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

Does it though? Not read the article but progress is not all about speed & heat times.

Without stats obviously but I'd argue that engine reliability is 75% better than 40 years ago.

Back in the day you'd have a couple of engines go pop a meeting, now, you'd be surprised to see one go pop in a month.

Engines now are properly on a par with with 80s tuned engines straight out the box.

Apart from engines, what progress is there to be had as frames / wheels etc are "improved" materials??

Bear in mind that race times are equal to or slower purely because of less material on the race surface

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The frames are still made from the same crap steel they have always been, they have to be to flex, wheels still go round at the same speed they always have, they just lighter and not as strong, engines well apart from better conrods rods and titanium valves the rest of the parts are pretty much the same, they using billet heads instead of cast but itโ€™s all in the name of going faster but facts donโ€™t lie weโ€™re not, yes tracks and silencers and tyres do play a part but the fact remains we are going no faster, I was reading this morning that in the national league at Birmingham in 2016 Lee smart went round Birmingham faster than anyone there last Monday, itโ€™s not progress itโ€™s money down the drain fueled by B/S that is pumped into the minds of riders looking for the next edge when in reality non take a step back to see if they been around long enough today they are not going as fast as they themselves used to, riders are literally peeing money up the wall to stay the same speed but the racing is no better but I believe you get more spaced out racing today than in the past, I would actually like to see someone try in race conditions a upright GM from the 90s v and laydown from 2000s v a today bike on different tracks with top riders on all 3 bikes, you say about reliability of the modern GM engine it lasts around an hour before the big end would start to break apart so they are changed around every 1/2 hour, this was a problem the GTR had, then big end pin started to break up and wasnโ€™t caught because it wasnโ€™t serviced every 30mins which was itโ€™s selling pointย 

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I agree, I don't think engines are more reliable these days, riders just pay to have them serviced mitch more regularly. Some riders from yesteryear only got theirs serviced once all season, unheard of now. I used to do 20-25 meetings and never had a reliability issue back in the 90s.ย  It all adds to the cost and riders pay demands and cost of entry.ย 

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59 minutes ago, proud panther said:

What did he say ?

The track was a disgrace, the pits were a mess, the changing rooms were dirty etc

Basically that everything about Birmingham wasn't fit for top level speedway

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1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

The track was a disgrace, the pits were a mess, the changing rooms were dirty etc

Basically that everything about Birmingham wasn't fit for top level speedway

And he is the best rider who has ever ridden in the UK?

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1 hour ago, Petecc said:

And he is the best rider who has ever ridden in the UK?

And the winner of the most irrelevant post of the year goes to........

YOU! Congratulationsย 

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9 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

The track was a disgrace, the pits were a mess, the changing rooms were dirty etc

Basically that everything about Birmingham wasn't fit for top level speedway

Well he won't have to ride there again, will he. I bet that's a real relief for the lad.ย 

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