Danish GP Vojens Saturday 13th September 2025

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

He is great to watch, however, most of his passes are down the straights using phenomenal straight line speed...

Meaning he has a proper "rocket ship" under him, as skill alone wouldn't generate such straight line speed that is so much quicker than everyone else..

More speed at the end of the straight can be achieved with something as simple as smaller sprockets, the more teeth you take off the further the bike goes in a straight line before it hits its maximum speed but it’s a fine balance because the compromise in that is it takes longer to get to that optimum speed and the straights are short, a bigger sprocket will help you get out the start but that’s no good if half way down the straight the engine has maxed out, think of gearing like the gearbox in your car, 1st gear will always pull away faster than 3rd but it will run out of speed at 100yards and 3rd takes over to take it to next level of speed, one other thing that zmarzlik does which no other rider does is sit at the back of his seat entering the corner, everyone else sits at the front, back in the 80s Bruce penhall had his engine plates especially made so the engine was an inch further back in the frame thus moving the engine weight further towards the back wheel, an inch may sound nothing but in speedway every slight change can make the difference 

[Youhave2minutes]

3 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

More speed at the end of the straight can be achieved with something as simple as smaller sprockets, the more teeth you take off the further the bike goes in a straight line before it hits its maximum speed but it’s a fine balance because the compromise in that is it takes longer to get to that optimum speed and the straights are short, a bigger sprocket will help you get out the start but that’s no good if half way down the straight the engine has maxed out, think of gearing like the gearbox in your car, 1st gear will always pull away faster than 3rd but it will run out of speed at 100yards and 3rd takes over to take it to next level of speed, one other thing that zmarzlik does which no other rider does is sit at the back of his seat entering the corner, everyone else sits at the front, back in the 80s Bruce penhall had his engine plates especially made so the engine was an inch further back in the frame thus moving the engine weight further towards the back wheel, an inch may sound nothing but in speedway every slight change can make the difference 

An inch difference in the bedroom also makes a hell of a difference too let me tell you.satisfaction is the key.

[The Cheese]

Well done to Zmarzlik, remarkable consistency. Kurtz couldn't have done any more. Good to have had someone else who can truly challenge for the title, hopefully one or two others can make that step up as well.

[tyler42]

2 hours ago, Odds On said:

What ever the sport, you go into a competition knowing the rules and the parameters. Whether they are seen to be right or wrong by some is irrelevant. 
 The biggest disappointment for me is the general preparation and state of the tracks, they have been terrible and almost gate and go.

Well done to BZ but Brady conducted himself well as a human being let alone as a sportsman.

The record books will show BZ as equalling winning the most world titles, if he wins one more then he will be the GOAT, 

Yes I agree 100%. Last was typical of Morris and co in how they do their business. After every block of rides out comes the watering can. Regardless how good or bad the racing has been. You can bet your bottom dollar, the poor riders who have to go out after watering are in a lottery. Wroclaw being a fine example. Good racing on a dry track week in week out yes, slick sometimes, but at least it's a fair playing field. Come the GP and the track didn't even remotely look like Wroclaw. The FIM, rather than play about with scoring system and introducing silly sprint races, should concentrate on what Morris has been doing all season, which is f**k up good speedway tracks!

[SPEEDY69]

Well, that GP had a flat finish! For me Kurtz deserved the title by beating Zmarlik on so many occasions, 5 GP wins in a row was awesome. That one piece of bad luck in Prague may play on his mind but it didn't seem so. You could argue it was poor preparation or that the bike got into on a position to cause the chain failure but I consider it bad luck. Who knows, if that hasn't happened he may not have won all those GP's but he couldn't have done any more. 

[PolskiZuzel]

17 hours ago, SUPERACE said:

Not with sprint races no. More importantly the chain issue in Prague cost him the title.  He won 5 rounds to Bartoz 3. 

Spring races were introduced at the beginning of this season... why ? ... to stop Zmarzlik winning the 6th. Also, everyone knew them as part of the new scoring system. Zmarzlik proved to be faster there than Kurtz. You better ask yourself by what kind of "rule" Kurtz got direct place in the final instead of Lebedev who beat him in heat 17

[OveFundinFan]

One thing that stood out to me this year and has to stop........over watering of the track.   And it appears to me no one is allowed to talk about it.... not the riders, not the commentators, not those that interview or are interviewed.  Over watering spoilt more than a few races this year....some of them "key" races.

 

[racers and royals]

3 hours ago, PolskiZuzel said:

Spring races were introduced at the beginning of this season... why ? ... to stop Zmarzlik winning the 6th. Also, everyone knew them as part of the new scoring system. Zmarzlik proved to be faster there than Kurtz. You better ask yourself by what kind of "rule" Kurtz got direct place in the final instead of Lebedev who beat him in heat 17

A simple rule !!! If riders are tied after 20 heats it goes to wins, 2nds and 3rd’s - if that cannot split them then the fastest time set by each rider is the determining factor. It shouldn’t be but it is. All because they couldn’t work out who beat who in the 4 rider tie in Cardiff in 2024.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said:

One thing that stood out to me this year and has to stop........over watering of the track.   And it appears to me no one is allowed to talk about it.... not the riders, not the commentators, not those that interview or are interviewed.  Over watering spoilt more than a few races this year....some of them "key" races.

 

It was a key point of conversation during the Wroclaw GP, Tatum & Louis were saying it had clearly been over watered

[eric i]

1 hour ago, racers and royals said:

A simple rule !!! If riders are tied after 20 heats it goes to wins, 2nds and 3rd’s - if that cannot split them then the fastest time set by each rider is the determining factor. It shouldn’t be but it is. All because they couldn’t work out who beat who in the 4 rider tie in Cardiff in 2024.

I thought that was a new rule.

[racers and royals]

9 minutes ago, eric i said:

I thought that was a new rule.

For 2025 yes because of the Cardiff fiasco under the old rule of ‘ who beat who ‘ ( 2nd in line after wins, 2nds etc) last season.

[Mr. Clemens]

 

Once again the interest in the GP limited to 10 pages. Gary Havelock said in the Star that Zmarslik hasn't had any competition for the last 3 years. If Kurtz hadn't have made the effort Bartoz would have won by a country mile. The only races worth watching were those involving those 2 just to see if Kurtz could pull it off. We need a competition not an exhibition. 

 

 

[tyler42]

5 hours ago, racers and royals said:

A simple rule !!! If riders are tied after 20 heats it goes to wins, 2nds and 3rd’s - if that cannot split them then the fastest time set by each rider is the determining factor. It shouldn’t be but it is. All because they couldn’t work out who beat who in the 4 rider tie in Cardiff in 2024.

Thats too sensible for the authorities to comprehend.  Just like the stupid scoring system. Which has proved on a few occasions farcical and as you have said the above rule is the most logical, but no they decide thats too easy. They have to go on fastest time!!  Just like a rider can score 6 pts and still have the chance making the semi. Not to worry if some poor sod has scored 11 or 12 pts.

" Oh no, what will do is give the rider who's been crap all night the same chance as a rider who's had a really good meeting to get to the final!

Maybe to even it up even a little bit more. After the riders have had their five rides. Regardless of what they have scored. Have another 4 races Just put them all in a hat. The winner from each heat goes to the final. "Now you all cry thats not fair!!," but is it fair a rider scoring 6 pts should have an equal chance of a rider who has scored 12 pts in reaching the final?

Edited September 14 by tyler42

[FAST GATER]

5 hours ago, tyler42 said:

Thats too sensible for the authorities to comprehend.  Just like the stupid scoring system. Which has proved on a few occasions farcical and as you have said the above rule is the most logical, but no they decide thats too easy. They have to go on fastest time!!  Just like a rider can score 6 pts and still have the chance making the semi. Not to worry if some poor sod has scored 11 or 12 pts.

" Oh no, what will do is give the rider who's been crap all night the same chance as a rider who's had a really good meeting to get to the final!

Maybe to even it up even a little bit more. After the riders have had their five rides. Regardless of what they have scored. Have another 4 races Just put them all in a hat. The winner from each heat goes to the final. "Now you all cry thats not fair!!," but is it fair a rider scoring 6 pts should have an equal chance of a rider who has scored 12 pts in reaching the final?

The simple answer is it was designed  to stop BZ winning again  maintain interest with a last race decider being the ultimate dream  ,problem is BZ didn't get the memo !

It was all on the last race though so not a complete disaster except for Kurtz fans . 

[Fromafar]

7 hours ago, tyler42 said:

Thats too sensible for the authorities to comprehend.  Just like the stupid scoring system. Which has proved on a few occasions farcical and as you have said the above rule is the most logical, but no they decide thats too easy. They have to go on fastest time!!  Just like a rider can score 6 pts and still have the chance making the semi. Not to worry if some poor sod has scored 11 or 12 pts.

" Oh no, what will do is give the rider who's been crap all night the same chance as a rider who's had a really good meeting to get to the final!

Maybe to even it up even a little bit more. After the riders have had their five rides. Regardless of what they have scored. Have another 4 races Just put them all in a hat. The winner from each heat goes to the final. "Now you all cry thats not fair!!," but is it fair a rider scoring 6 pts should have an equal chance of a rider who has scored 12 pts in reaching the final?

Also what’s logical about scoring 11 pts in the Heats and finishing with 7 pts because you were good enough to get in the LCQ.!!!

Farcical.

Interesting too see what they will come up with next year to stop Bartosz winning.( bonus points if you make the gate🤔)

 

 

[DaveWayne]

3 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Also what’s logical about scoring 11 pts in the Heats and finishing with 7 pts because you were good enough to get in the LCQ.!!!

Farcical.

Interesting too see what they will come up with next year to stop Bartosz winning.( bonus points if you make the gate🤔)

 

 

I don't understand why you think it is farcical. For those finishing in the top 10, the heats are simply a qualifying process for the LCQs and the Final. These races then define the finishing positions and the points awarded to each rider. It may not be correct in your eyes, or anyone else who thinks the pre-2020 system should still be used, but it isn't farcical.

It's no different to the playoff process that decides league champions, where the season long matches are 'qualifiers' and the winners could be any of the top 4.

BriSCA F1 stock cars used to award the National Points Championship (and the right to wear the coveted silver roof for a year) to the driver scoring the most points over the whole season. But now, the title is awarded to the winner of a 12 round shootout in the last couple of months of the season, contested by the top 16 drivers at the cut off point.

NASCAR in America also use an end of season shootout which means any of the top 16 at the cut off can be declared champion.

These changes have been made to increase entertainment levels and public interest. They may seem incorrect to some, but farcical is just an opinion.

[IainB]

13 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

I don't understand why you think it is farcical. For those finishing in the top 10, the heats are simply a qualifying process for the LCQs and the Final. These races then define the finishing positions and the points awarded to each rider. It may not be correct in your eyes, or anyone else who thinks the pre-2020 system should still be used, but it isn't farcical.

I'd be interested to know what you do find farcical, top 11 to qualify? top 12? top 15, so only 1 knocked out of the qualifying heats? We're trying to order the best riders, not the luckiest.

[DaveWayne]

22 minutes ago, IainB said:

I'd be interested to know what you do find farcical, top 11 to qualify? top 12? top 15, so only 1 knocked out of the qualifying heats? We're trying to order the best riders, not the luckiest.

Or unluckiest ?

The old system meant that 1 mechanical failure in a heat virtually ruined a rider's chances of winning a GP. The 'qualifying' process means they can still make the final.

[SPEEDY69]

3 hours ago, FAST GATER said:

The simple answer is it was designed  to stop BZ winning again  maintain interest with a last race decider being the ultimate dream  ,problem is BZ didn't get the memo !

It was all on the last race though so not a complete disaster except for Kurtz fans . 

I don't think any of the changes were designed to stop BZ winning at all, you give him too much credit.  They were designed to keep both fans and riders interested in the result to as late as possible, doesn't matter who those riders are.

[racers and royals]

5 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I don't think any of the changes were designed to stop BZ winning at all, you give him too much credit.  They were designed to keep both fans and riders interested in the result to as late as possible, doesn't matter who those riders are.

Exactly and it’s not as if the points difference is vast for the non-finalists and the finalists. The more points scored in the 20 heats the better chance of scoring 12 rather than 11 in finishing 2nd in the LCQ’s and so on  10 to 9, and 8 to 7. I like it - easy to work out ( now WBD have stopped cocking up the scorechart for TV ).