German GP Landshut Saturday 3rd May

[Garry1603]

With Zmarzlik we are seeing one of the true sporting greats and should appreciate it whilst he's at his peak.

He's a level above every other rider when push comes to shove and knows exactly how to win a GP series - consistency.

We'd all like a more competitive championship, but this guy is simply a legend. If he wants it, and avoids injury, he could dominate for another five years.

[Pinny]

6 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

A few people (possibly even Crump & Rickardsson said it) tried to make it sound like Lambert was his main challenger after "getting the monkey off his back" with a first GP win. But the very next round he failed to make the semi final. 

I can't see anyone getting close to Zmarzlik, feel he's gonna be the first rider to win 7 world titles. Probably more of injury doesn't stop him.

I thought Lambert would be his biggest challenger to be fair but even if he is, all challengers are way off Zmarzlik.

Emils best chance of world title was around the time he was fighting with Woffy the year Woffy won his first title and Emil got injured. He then got fit and opted out the GP series for a while for whatever reason.

It is ridiculous that Laguta and Emil are both not welcome due to being Russian when so many other sports are allowing Russians to compete. I can only think that there is a deeper reasoning behind it all...maybe things were said from one of the riders or both to the governing body at the time of the ban and they aren't flavor of the month with the organizers?

 

 

[Fromafar]

10 minutes ago, Pinny said:

I thought Lambert would be his biggest challenger to be fair but even if he is, all challengers are way off Zmarzlik.

Emils best chance of world title was around the time he was fighting with Woffy the year Woffy won his first title and Emil got injured. He then got fit and opted out the GP series for a while for whatever reason.

It is ridiculous that Laguta and Emil are both not welcome due to being Russian when so many other sports are allowing Russians to compete. I can only think that there is a deeper reasoning behind it all...maybe things were said from one of the riders or both to the governing body at the time of the ban and they aren't flavor of the month with the organizers?

 

 

When the going gets tough Lambert tends to go missing if he doesn’t gate.The new scoring system should help him ,but 1 rider from the last chance heats maybe spoils it with the hard chargers coming to the fore (Lingren Doyle and Bartosz don’t take prisoners in these situations)

[Pinny]

17 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

When the going gets tough Lambert tends to go missing if he doesn’t gate.The new scoring system should help him ,but 1 rider from the last chance heats maybe spoils it with the hard chargers coming to the fore (Lingren Doyle and Bartosz don’t take prisoners in these situations)

I think a lot of the chasing pack go missing at crunch time which is the difference.

As someone previously said, BZ seems to step it up a few levels when it matters whilst the others dont on a consistent basis.

[Steve Shovlar]

Just caught up with it. Awful GP, lacking any excitement. Zmarzlik untroubled. Totally boring and ended up watching on fast forward. Oh for the days when there were at least ten riders putting up a real fight. Too many no discrips in it today making up the numbers. Few personalities and characters to root for.

Perhaps I have fallen out of love with the GPs when I loved to travel Europe watching them. 

[bigcatdiary]

16 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Just caught up with it. Awful GP, lacking any excitement. Zmarzlik untroubled. Totally boring and ended up watching on fast forward. Oh for the days when there were at least ten riders putting up a real fight. Too many no discrips in it today making up the numbers. Few personalities and characters to root for.

Perhaps I have fallen out of love with the GPs when I loved to travel Europe watching them. 

I rather suspect most people have fallen out with the GP’s and after this year and possibly the 2026 series I have heard their will be a lot of changes as sponsors are now not willing to pay the sums required by the organisers, plus Poland are deeply unhappy with only 2 representatives in this years series.

It will be interesting to hear how many people have paid up to watch speedway on the TV because from my friends it isn’t very many.

 

[therefused]

16 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Just caught up with it. Awful GP, lacking any excitement. Zmarzlik untroubled. Totally boring and ended up watching on fast forward. Oh for the days when there were at least ten riders putting up a real fight. Too many no discrips in it today making up the numbers. Few personalities and characters to root for.

Perhaps I have fallen out of love with the GPs when I loved to travel Europe watching them. 

I don’t think the lineup is any different it’s just zmarzlik is so much better than anyone else, it would be the same years ago too. The rest of the field there isn’t much between them and would make an interesting battle 

[Gavan]

23 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Just caught up with it. Awful GP, lacking any excitement. Zmarzlik untroubled. Totally boring and ended up watching on fast forward. Oh for the days when there were at least ten riders putting up a real fight. Too many no discrips in it today making up the numbers. Few personalities and characters to root for.

Perhaps I have fallen out of love with the GPs when I loved to travel Europe watching them. 

Was more boring when Rickardsson was seeded to the main event had 4 gate ones and won the meeting 

[Halifax65]

Why is Holder above Thomsen ?

I thought that the order after the 20 qualifying heats were used to determine the positions of the riders finishing 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the LCQ’s, meaning Thomsen’s 9pts should have given him the higher GP finish than Holder with his 8pt haul?

Confused !

[BangerBoy]

On 5/4/2025 at 4:17 PM, Pinny said:

I thought Lambert would be his biggest challenger to be fair but even if he is, all challengers are way off Zmarzlik.

Emils best chance of world title was around the time he was fighting with Woffy the year Woffy won his first title and Emil got injured. He then got fit and opted out the GP series for a while for whatever reason.

It is ridiculous that Laguta and Emil are both not welcome due to being Russian when so many other sports are allowing Russians to compete. I can only think that there is a deeper reasoning behind it all...maybe things were said from one of the riders or both to the governing body at the time of the ban and they aren't flavor of the month with the organizers?

 

All Russians should be banned whatever the sport

Might wind up Putin a bit

 

 

[Fromafar]

On 5/4/2025 at 6:19 PM, Steve Shovlar said:

Just caught up with it. Awful GP, lacking any excitement. Zmarzlik untroubled. Totally boring and ended up watching on fast forward. Oh for the days when there were at least ten riders putting up a real fight. Too many no discrips in it today making up the numbers. Few personalities and characters to root for.

Perhaps I have fallen out of love with the GPs when I loved to travel Europe watching them. 

If you look back at the GP results over the years there were never 10 or so riders putting up areal 5 fight we had multiple World Champions and same 4-5 rider filling 2/3rd spots.BZ is the best rider out there and the scoring system makes it even better for him.

[racers and royals]

On 5/4/2025 at 2:12 AM, Halifax65 said:

Why is Holder above Thomsen ?

I thought that the points scored in the 20 qualifying heats were used to determine the positions of the riders finishing 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the LCQ’s, meaning Thomsen’s 9pts should have given him the higher GP finish than Holder with his 8pt haul?

Confused !

You are correct and wrong !

The 4th place in LC is determined by who finished higher in the 20 heats( and 2nd and 3rd)ONLY if they both finish- if not  the one who finishes gets 8 against 7.

 

Edited May 7 by racers and royals

[Mr Bee]

And here we have the answer to riders picking numbers without suits on. 

https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/1186923/zuzel-w-gp-sa-rowni-i-rowniejsi-zmarzlik-z-kara-pieciu-zawodnikow-uniknie-grzywn

Zmarzlik has to abide by the actual rules, while the other riders have an unwritten set that Morris applies. 

[Sir Sidney]

On 4/28/2025 at 4:12 PM, Neila said:

Many thanks for the info, in early planning for next year (if still got a gp at landshut) will save renting a car at Munich Airport,  can transfer via train 😄

Just a bit of feedback after using the shuttle service, and therefore worth checking for next year should you go.

The shuttle journey to the stadium worked perfectly - bus as per timetable, and the driver collected the return fare on boarding (3 euro return per person)

The drop off point was at the junction of Flugplatzstrasse and the st2045 road - about a half mile walk from there to the stadium entrance, on good roads - fine if, like me, you have no mobility issues, but some people did seem a bit concerned about the walk. Id be interested to know if others were dropped off there.

However, what the driver didn't explain was that the pick up point was at a different location. That was at a bus stop on Ellermuhle. That is quite a long road. If you look on Google maps the stop is the one by Sagberger Muhlen. 

When we came out after the event we started to head back to where we were dropped off, as we assumed that was the pick up point. Fortunately, we spotted a small sign on the way back, directing us off down a farm track / unmade road. There was no lighting, or staff to direct you, and so it would have been easy to miss (and many did). There were also a couple of junctions on the track, again with small, unlit signs. Easy to go wrong, as others did 

Once we got to the bus stop, which we assumed was the correct place because there were people milling about, there was no shuttle bus signage, staff to organise arrivals, or queuing system in place. If a bus had arrived then that wouldn't have been a problem because there weren't many people waiting. However, it was over an hour before a bus arrived and then it was a scrum to get on. Many were left behind, including some who had been waiting as long as us. The driver wasn't sure when the next bus would be so I don't know how long people had to wait for the next one.

A small bit of organisation on behalf of the club / FIM, a bit of lighting, a couple of staff to direct and organise a queue and a few more buses in the hour after the meeting finished would have made the experience much better. 

In fairness to the organisers the timetable that was published did give the shuttle drop off as Ellermuhle and so maybe our driver just dropped us off in the wrong place - however, if we were the only people who had thought the pick up was in the same place I'd accept it was our mistake - but we weren't. 

That also would not excuse the lack of organisation of the shuttle after the event. A shame because the 3 euro return fare is good value

I hope that helps, and if you want any more info feel free to message me

[racers and royals]

7 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:

Just a bit of feedback after using the shuttle service, and therefore worth checking for next year should you go.

The shuttle journey to the stadium worked perfectly - bus as per timetable, and the driver collected the return fare on boarding (3 euro return per person)

The drop off point was at the junction of Flugplatzstrasse and the st2045 road - about a half mile walk from there to the stadium entrance, on good roads - fine if, like me, you have no mobility issues, but some people did seem a bit concerned about the walk. Id be interested to know if others were dropped off there.

However, what the driver didn't explain was that the pick up point was at a different location. That was at a bus stop on Ellermuhle. That is quite a long road. If you look on Google maps the stop is the one by Sagberger Muhlen. 

When we came out after the event we started to head back to where we were dropped off, as we assumed that was the pick up point. Fortunately, we spotted a small sign on the way back, directing us off down a farm track / unmade road. There was no lighting, or staff to direct you, and so it would have been easy to miss (and many did). There were also a couple of junctions on the track, again with small, unlit signs. Easy to go wrong, as others did 

Once we got to the bus stop, which we assumed was the correct place because there were people milling about, there was no shuttle bus signage, staff to organise arrivals, or queuing system in place. If a bus had arrived then that wouldn't have been a problem because there weren't many people waiting. However, it was over an hour before a bus arrived and then it was a scrum to get on. Many were left behind, including some who had been waiting as long as us. The driver wasn't sure when the next bus would be so I don't know how long people had to wait for the next one.

A small bit of organisation on behalf of the club / FIM, a bit of lighting, a couple of staff to direct and organise a queue and a few more buses in the hour after the meeting finished would have made the experience much better. 

In fairness to the organisers the timetable that was published did give the shuttle drop off as Ellermuhle and so maybe our driver just dropped us off in the wrong place - however, if we were the only people who had thought the pick up was in the same place I'd accept it was our mistake - but we weren't. 

That also would not excuse the lack of organisation of the shuttle after the event. A shame because the 3 euro return fare is good value

I hope that helps, and if you want any more info feel free to message me

Are there no roads next to the stadium- why did a shuttle bus specially for the event not take you to and pick you up from the event ?

[Sir Sidney]

2 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Are there no roads next to the stadium- why did a shuttle bus specially for the event not take you to and pick you up from the event ?

There were roads from where we were dropped off to the stadium, as they go to the small airport next to the stadium, and were being used for cars going to car parks. I think perhaps the bus didn't drop off at the stadium entrance because it would then have got caught up in traffic queues. 

The route back to the collection point was not drivable, and which, in the dark, would have been difficult for some people - on distance alone, not taking the surface into account. 

It's one of these things where a little bit more organisation and thought would have transformed the experience. 

[Colinspeedway]

1 hour ago, Sir Sidney said:

Just a bit of feedback after using the shuttle service, and therefore worth checking for next year should you go.

The shuttle journey to the stadium worked perfectly - bus as per timetable, and the driver collected the return fare on boarding (3 euro return per person)

The drop off point was at the junction of Flugplatzstrasse and the st2045 road - about a half mile walk from there to the stadium entrance, on good roads - fine if, like me, you have no mobility issues, but some people did seem a bit concerned about the walk. Id be interested to know if others were dropped off there.

However, what the driver didn't explain was that the pick up point was at a different location. That was at a bus stop on Ellermuhle. That is quite a long road. If you look on Google maps the stop is the one by Sagberger Muhlen. 

When we came out after the event we started to head back to where we were dropped off, as we assumed that was the pick up point. Fortunately, we spotted a small sign on the way back, directing us off down a farm track / unmade road. There was no lighting, or staff to direct you, and so it would have been easy to miss (and many did). There were also a couple of junctions on the track, again with small, unlit signs. Easy to go wrong, as others did 

Once we got to the bus stop, which we assumed was the correct place because there were people milling about, there was no shuttle bus signage, staff to organise arrivals, or queuing system in place. If a bus had arrived then that wouldn't have been a problem because there weren't many people waiting. However, it was over an hour before a bus arrived and then it was a scrum to get on. Many were left behind, including some who had been waiting as long as us. The driver wasn't sure when the next bus would be so I don't know how long people had to wait for the next one.

A small bit of organisation on behalf of the club / FIM, a bit of lighting, a couple of staff to direct and organise a queue and a few more buses in the hour after the meeting finished would have made the experience much better. 

In fairness to the organisers the timetable that was published did give the shuttle drop off as Ellermuhle and so maybe our driver just dropped us off in the wrong place - however, if we were the only people who had thought the pick up was in the same place I'd accept it was our mistake - but we weren't. 

That also would not excuse the lack of organisation of the shuttle after the event. A shame because the 3 euro return fare is good value

I hope that helps, and if you want any more info feel free to message me

Let me tell you the rail replacement (DB) bus service (towards Munich) from the nearest train station (Gündlkofen) was just as much as a shambles. As was the journey there on the train. Certainly would go by car if I went to Landshut again.

Would expect the official shuttle service to be better than you have described. 

[Halifax65]

Cheers for the clarification re Holder / Thomsen position R&R

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

2 hours ago, Colinspeedway said:

Let me tell you the rail replacement (DB) bus service (towards Munich) from the nearest train station (Gündlkofen) was just as much as a shambles. As was the journey there on the train. Certainly would go by car if I went to Landshut again.

Would expect the official shuttle service to be better than you have described. 

We drove to Germany, stayed in a village 8 miles away from track in moosburg, as there was no parking at the stadium we caught the train into landshut and then got the bus to the stadium, everything went smoothly, after the meeting we joined the other fans waiting for the bus back to landshut, when it turned up only about half the fans could get on so we decided to book an uber back to hotel, we booked and paid for it and it said it will be there in 25 mins, the next bus came and nearly all got on, after 30 mins we got a message saying our Uber had been cancelled and we were refunded the money, at that point it bucketed it down, we waited under a shelter with 3 belle vue fans and a German lad, the police came and said there is no more buses, they told us to wait there and they went and diverted a bus just for the 5 of us and took us to landshut where we found out the train to our hotel had been cancelled, we had to find a bus going our way which eventually we did, we got into our hotel around 1pm, all part of the fun but for the want of a car park 

[OveFundinFan]

On 5/4/2025 at 6:46 AM, geoff100 said:

The vast number of fans will never see how good he is due to rip off prices to watch our sport!

A seat to watch the final of world championship snooker in the Crucible Theatre Sheffield cost £650 I understand.  £650 !!!   Of course no speedway race could be anywhere as exciting as watching a frame of snooker.

Whose being ripped off?