Tinker Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 hours ago, mikebv said: It's a sport that doesn't follow an operating model that any team sport should.. In the UK... A team sport should have emotional engagement.. For good or bad, but never, indifference... UK Speedway doesn't engage that emotional attachment... Who cares who wins competitions that have little prestige or financial reward? And can be won by other teams helping you win by loaning you their competitors, often to the detriment of their own team, their other riders, and (most importantly), their own fans.. The sport is full of Hobbyists who are quite happy to rub shoulder to shoulder with a level of rider that they simply couldn't afford if they solely had to pay his wages... Hobbyists who are quite content to put out "any Speedway" given winning or losing won't impact them positively, or adversely, to any serious degree.. Basically Dean, the sport has ran its course, still using a 60 year old operating model, without any major customer focused changes... (What you could get a way with 60 years ago, you have no chance in a 24/7 instant media)... It is now nothing more than a conduit for riders to try and earn a years worth of money in six months, with a willing promoter happy to enable them to do so.. The fervant, almost indecent haste, to ensure six teams in tier one, so plenty could double up, clearly showed that... The sport has become mundane, which, ironically, given its ultra exciting raw product, is an indictment on those in charge... The sport needs energy, desire, ambition and passion from its leaders... It seems to have none of that.. Cor 2 hours ago, mikebv said: It's a sport that doesn't follow an operating model that any team sport should.. In the UK... A team sport should have emotional engagement.. For good or bad, but never, indifference... UK Speedway doesn't engage that emotional attachment... Who cares who wins competitions that have little prestige or financial reward? And can be won by other teams helping you win by loaning you their competitors, often to the detriment of their own team, their other riders, and (most importantly), their own fans.. The sport is full of Hobbyists who are quite happy to rub shoulder to shoulder with a level of rider that they simply couldn't afford if they solely had to pay his wages... Hobbyists who are quite content to put out "any Speedway" given winning or losing won't impact them positively, or adversely, to any serious degree.. Basically Dean, the sport has ran its course, still using a 60 year old operating model, without any major customer focused changes... (What you could get a way with 60 years ago, you have no chance in a 24/7 instant media)... It is now nothing more than a conduit for riders to try and earn a years worth of money in six months, with a willing promoter happy to enable them to do so.. The fervant, almost indecent haste, to ensure six teams in tier one, so plenty could double up, clearly showed that... The sport has become mundane, which, ironically, given its ultra exciting raw product, is an indictment on those in charge... The sport needs energy, desire, ambition and passion from its leaders... It seems to have none of that.. Cor MikeBV, you do chunter on somewhat. You're on the forum constantly and talk a good game but there's never any positivity. If I had a quid for every time you either mention "operating model" or "mickey mouse sport" I'd probably be able to resurrect speedway at West Ham, Wimbledon or Harringay Actually any where you want because I'd be a rich fella. Admittedly, British speedway is in a tad of a mess at the moment but your constant negativity and bringing up the same old rhetoric time and time again is getting pretty tedious. Apologies in advance for my post because I can see you obviously care about the sport but in future can we have something more engaging from you and not the same old old etc. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 14 hours ago Report Share Posted 14 hours ago the truth hurts dont it tinker 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 4 hours ago, gjcone44 said: the truth hurts dont it tinker The sport is in a mess and there's no denying that but my point was that every time Mikebv posts, it's always Mickey Mouse this and Mickey Mouse that. Oh and operating model this, operating model that etc. 😉 No hard feelings MikeBV because you do come across as a genuine and likeable guy and you obviously know your stuff. Just a touch more positivity would be welcome from you though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Tinker said: The sport is in a mess and there's no denying that but my point was that every time Mikebv posts, it's always Mickey Mouse this and Mickey Mouse that. Oh and operating model this, operating model that etc. 😉 No hard feelings MikeBV because you do come across as a genuine and likeable guy and you obviously know your stuff. Just a touch more positivity would be welcome from you though. Those running the sport love a happy clapper but need to be more attentive to what Mike and those like him are saying It's not negativity it is realism - they have abused 50 years plus of positivity from Mike and those of us like him and don't deserve anymore 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bee Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Tinker said: The sport is in a mess and there's no denying that but my point was that every time Mikebv posts, it's always Mickey Mouse this and Mickey Mouse that. Oh and operating model this, operating model that etc. 😉 No hard feelings MikeBV because you do come across as a genuine and likeable guy and you obviously know your stuff. Just a touch more positivity would be welcome from you though. But what is there to be positive about? Can you give me 5 genuine things to be positive about in British Speedway? I can’t think of anything. I don’t count the Northampton venture because too many clubs have been lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Tinker said: The sport is in a mess and there's no denying that but my point was that every time Mikebv posts, it's always Mickey Mouse this and Mickey Mouse that. Oh and operating model this, operating model that etc. 😉 No hard feelings MikeBV because you do come across as a genuine and likeable guy and you obviously know your stuff. Just a touch more positivity would be welcome from you though. You did agree that the sport was in a "tad of a mess at the moment"... Fair play... You are obviously someone very calming to have around in a crisis... Lets hope today goes well for Northampton and a great new dawn appears from tomorrow for the sport, with new modern thinking people entering into the sport, bringing it into the 21st Century, thus launching a huge national marketing campaign which engages those hundreds of thousands of latent, and potentially new fans, living within an hour of a track, to attend.. See. I can do it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: You did agree that the sport was in a "tad of a mess at the moment"... Fair play... You are obviously someone very calming to have around in a crisis... Lets hope today goes well for Northampton and a great new dawn appears from tomorrow for the sport, with new modern thinking people entering into the sport, bringing it into the 21st Century, thus launching a huge national marketing campaign which engages those hundreds of thousands of latent, and potentially new fans, living within an hour of a track, to attend.. See. I can do it.... Now you're going too far ....... 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 minute ago, Tinker said: Now you're going too far ....... 😂 Back up and take the last turning on the left right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Those running the sport love a happy clapper but need to be more attentive to what Mike and those like him are saying It's not negativity it is realism - they have abused 50 years plus of positivity from Mike and those of us like him and don't deserve anymore In my experience, on many social media websites, the "Happy Clappers" are often those within the "bubble" of whatever the business, or entity that the Social Media account is discussing.. Maybe doing some volunteering, or are related to someone running the enterprise... And, quite often, not having to pay out any money to use the business they defend... I've said before. When I ran Supermarkets in towns and cities across the country, getting on the towns social media was "Gold" given the brutal nature of the feedback given by those who would never speak the same to your face... Getting told your crap, publicly, isn't the greatest feeling in the world, however, when they tell you why you were crap, and, even better, give you potential answers to resolve the issue, then, just by listening to, and engaging with, your customers, you cannot fail... Getting told your great by "Happy Clappers" around you, clearly has no merit, or use, at all... Any business desperately needs, for growth, people to tell them what they don't want to hear... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 31 minutes ago, Mr Bee said: But what is there to be positive about? Can you give me 5 genuine things to be positive about in British Speedway? I can’t think of anything. I don’t count the Northampton venture because too many clubs have been lost. 1. Bewley and Lambert being GP top 6 regulars 2. Glasgow promotion in general 3. Cooper Rushen 4. Kings Lynn won last night 5. Struggling when it gets to number 5... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago the tactical move of team GB putting cairns at no. 5.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bee Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 52 minutes ago, therefused said: 1. Bewley and Lambert being GP top 6 regulars 2. Glasgow promotion in general 3. Cooper Rushen 4. Kings Lynn won last night 5. Struggling when it gets to number 5... Difficult isn't it? The only real one on the list is number 2 and that leads me to the question as to why the rest of them can't do the same. I can't count 1 because Lambert has very little to do with the promotion of British League Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, mikebv said: In my experience, on many social media websites, the "Happy Clappers" are often those within the "bubble" of whatever the business, or entity that the Social Media account is discussing.. Maybe doing some volunteering, or are related to someone running the enterprise... And, quite often, not having to pay out any money to use the business they defend... I've said before. When I ran Supermarkets in towns and cities across the country, getting on the towns social media was "Gold" given the brutal nature of the feedback given by those who would never speak the same to your face... Getting told your crap, publicly, isn't the greatest feeling in the world, however, when they tell you why you were crap, and, even better, give you potential answers to resolve the issue, then, just by listening to, and engaging with, your customers, you cannot fail... Getting told your great by "Happy Clappers" around you, clearly has no merit, or use, at all... Any business desperately needs, for growth, people to tell them what they don't want to hear... The whole of British speedway has that going through the motions feel about, lacking a point or a consequence, just there and I think your spot on with your observations and personally i feel disconnected to it and for someone like me who was born into speedway and has dedicated my life too it I feel really sad it’s come to feeling like this 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: The whole of British speedway has that going through the motions feel about, lacking a point or a consequence, just there and I think your spot on with your observations and personally i feel disconnected to it and for someone like me who was born into speedway and has dedicated my life too it I feel really sad it’s come to feeling like this Making it actually "mean something" is the No1 challenge, but also, therefore, the No1 opportunity.... It will take a complete overhaul of what currently is allowed to take place, but the size of the prize in the end surely has to inspire those who run the sport to at least give it a go... Alternatively, if those who run the sport in its current guise, can see no need to change, (like you can quite believe), then there never will be any chance of delivering the potential the sport still clearly has given the "raw material" of the racing it has to work with.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 24 years ago we had play offs and played each other twice home & away due to the fact there was only nine teams in the league. The “something” it meant back then was the same as now. Prior to that in 2001, without the play offs you could be soon cut adrift as The Aces were finishing with just 16 match points compared to Oxfords 58. The vast majority of our fixtures meant nothing in terms of the big prize. We still played each other twice at home due to the low amount of teams competing. How far back do you go to find a time when meetings would “mean something” to all those competing? Speedway is tedious & boring plus too expensive for what’s on offer. Fix that and it doesn’t matter if it’s a bottom of the table dead rubber, people will attend and return again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phannan Posted 42 minutes ago Report Share Posted 42 minutes ago I’ll say it again.. no promotion or relegation , meetings with no jeopardy, nothing depending on the outcome of the results. It’s all meaningless. Different sport but look at the interest in the spurs / West Ham relegation fight. Where is the actual interest in speedway now because I’m not seeing it. Promotion and relegation can’t be done people say. Well it needs to happen however way it does. People are losing interest and turning away. As for the younger generation, forget it in its current state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 25 minutes ago Report Share Posted 25 minutes ago 12 minutes ago, Phannan said: I’ll say it again.. no promotion or relegation , meetings with no jeopardy, nothing depending on the outcome of the results. It’s all meaningless. Different sport but look at the interest in the spurs / West Ham relegation fight. Where is the actual interest in speedway now because I’m not seeing it. Promotion and relegation can’t be done people say. Well it needs to happen however way it does. People are losing interest and turning away. As for the younger generation, forget it in its current state. The only way I can see promotion and relegation working in Speedway is with the removal of the points limit, this way clubs will find the level that they can truly run at and you won't get somebody like Scunny winning the CL (difficult to believe) and not being able to afford to move up. It's got to happen, can't see it ever will though not in its truest sense, if it ever did it'd be some kind of contrived version of promotion & relegation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 15 minutes ago Report Share Posted 15 minutes ago 2 hours ago, ouch said: 24 years ago we had play offs and played each other twice home & away due to the fact there was only nine teams in the league. The “something” it meant back then was the same as now. Prior to that in 2001, without the play offs you could be soon cut adrift as The Aces were finishing with just 16 match points compared to Oxfords 58. The vast majority of our fixtures meant nothing in terms of the big prize. We still played each other twice at home due to the low amount of teams competing. How far back do you go to find a time when meetings would “mean something” to all those competing? Speedway is tedious & boring plus too expensive for what’s on offer. Fix that and it doesn’t matter if it’s a bottom of the table dead rubber, people will attend and return again. 24 years ago... You had Sky Sports coverage, usually a match per week, and around a million quid put into the league a season by them.. Meaning Sky Sports News showed highlights on top of the live action, which was often on SS1.... The largest Sports Channel on the planet even sponsored the league via their Skybet arm... You also had (apart from Mr T Gollob), the worlds best 20 or so riders riding over here... Riding on nights that clubs could engage their largest crowds. which meant Wednesday racing, Friday racing, and Saturday racing in the Elite League... A very different offering than what we have today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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