WookieboyDon Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Ben91 said: Apologies if I’ve missed it elsewhere but is Boughen lost to the sport now? Seems like there’s definitely something that could/should be done to help keep young riders heads straight. Anyone with above average potential seems to be treated as a commodity before a person, in their teenage years that’s always going to either inflate the ego or crush it, sometimes both. A lot of young careers have probably suffered for it. Something needs to be done to help the British youngsters stay on track, literally and metaphorically. He has sold his equipment so could well be… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, WookieboyDon said: He has sold his equipment so could well be… I understand a similar situation happened with Ashton in Motorcross spent hundreds of thousands then a few things didn’t go his or dads way they then moved onto Speedway now it appears same has happened again 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said: Love watching him ride, I just hope the leg off the footrest style doesn't hold him back. Bridger used to have a similar style. I'm not saying that's what stopped him becoming world class, but I don't think it helps a rider at times. At least if the footrest does break he won’t be affected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 11 minutes ago, flagrag said: I understand a similar situation happened with Ashton in Motorcross spent hundreds of thousands then a few things didn’t go his or dads way they then moved onto Speedway now it appears same has happened again Too close of contact sport for Ashton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Ben91 said: Apologies if I’ve missed it elsewhere but is Boughen lost to the sport now? Seems like there’s definitely something that could/should be done to help keep young riders heads straight. Anyone with above average potential seems to be treated as a commodity before a person, in their teenage years that’s always going to either inflate the ego or crush it, sometimes both. A lot of young careers have probably suffered for it. Something needs to be done to help the British youngsters stay on track, literally and metaphorically. Social Media can massively mentally impact these kids today... Resilience and a "who gives a f**k what you say?" attitude are in much shorter supply these days given the kids are exposed to non stop feedback and, sometimes, trolling... Getting things "too easy" in life can also dilute ambition and sacrifice, which can also prevent growth, desire, and development... Any semi decent kid seems to be the "next Woffy" according to too many, with the reality being that to get to World Class level, by the age of 18 to 20 you are usually beating World Class riders if not regularly, then at least more than occasionally... It sometimes appears that any 16 year old kid that can beat riders of the same, or similar age, gets expectations well above what his level truly will be... Which can only put unrequired pressure on... Joe T in the play off final is a clear example of pushing these lads into top tier team places that they are not ready for, and can do nothing for his confidence, however, hopefully he will put it into context and continue to show gradual improvement to reach a decent level in the sport... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 48 minutes ago, mikebv said: Social Media can massively mentally impact these kids today... Resilience and a "who gives a f**k what you say?" attitude are in much shorter supply these days given the kids are exposed to non stop feedback and, sometimes, trolling... Getting things "too easy" in life can also dilute ambition and sacrifice, which can also prevent growth, desire, and development... Any semi decent kid seems to be the "next Woffy" according to too many, with the reality being that to get to World Class level, by the age of 18 to 20 you are usually beating World Class riders if not regularly, then at least more than occasionally... It sometimes appears that any 16 year old kid that can beat riders of the same, or similar age, gets expectations well above what his level truly will be... Which can only put unrequired pressure on... Joe T in the play off final is a clear example of pushing these lads into top tier team places that they are not ready for, and can do nothing for his confidence, however, hopefully he will put it into context and continue to show gradual improvement to reach a decent level in the sport... indeed, there are certain posters on here who cant help but have a dig at Boughen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 40 minutes ago, therefused said: indeed, there are certain posters on here who cant help but have a dig at Boughen. Thats social media though.This a Forum so nothing likely to change.Thats Life these day in any form. Edited 7 hours ago by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Social Media can massively mentally impact these kids today... Resilience and a "who gives a f**k what you say?" attitude are in much shorter supply these days given the kids are exposed to non stop feedback and, sometimes, trolling... Getting things "too easy" in life can also dilute ambition and sacrifice, which can also prevent growth, desire, and development... Any semi decent kid seems to be the "next Woffy" according to too many, with the reality being that to get to World Class level, by the age of 18 to 20 you are usually beating World Class riders if not regularly, then at least more than occasionally... It sometimes appears that any 16 year old kid that can beat riders of the same, or similar age, gets expectations well above what his level truly will be... Which can only put unrequired pressure on... Joe T in the play off final is a clear example of pushing these lads into top tier team places that they are not ready for, and can do nothing for his confidence, however, hopefully he will put it into context and continue to show gradual improvement to reach a decent level in the sport... Exactly why it’s important these young riders have someone to help them build the right mindset rather than break their existing one down. I’d argue mindset mentorship as opposed to skillset mentorship would be more beneficial to those naturally talented youngsters. The current Rushen or Cairns debate is interesting. Of course it’s natural to discuss who is better, who will be better etc. on the forum and social media, wouldn’t it be great to see both make the absolute most of their potential though. They can learn from each other now and push each other through their careers if they have the right mentorship. We’ve all been kids of that age, there can be a certain end of the world feeling to even the most minor of setbacks. That’s where they need an arm around the shoulder to tell them it’s all about the experience and to keep their feet planted and chins up. That goes for all young riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: Thats social media though.This a Forum so nothing likely to change.Thats Life these day in any form. This forum is social media I beleive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 11 minutes ago, topaz325 said: This forum is social media I beleive. Correct.That what Isaid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentLurker Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 6 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said: Love watching him ride, I just hope the leg off the footrest style doesn't hold him back. Bridger used to have a similar style. I'm not saying that's what stopped him becoming world class, but I don't think it helps a rider at times. The trouble is this is exactly what gets people hyped up about young riders. If you compare Ace Pijper and Will Cairns only one of them looks like a future top level speedway rider. Pijpers style is absolutely honking yet over recent form his scores have been tremendous. On the other hand cairns looks the part but he has not really done much scoring wise of late. But if you had to back one to go on and ‘make it’ you would pick cairns purely on ability on a bike. Pijper looks like he is just wobbling round trying his best to finish 4 laps and Cairns is as smooth as butter. Styles lure people into thinking riders are better than they are I suppose the likes of Adam Ellis, Lewis Bridger and Ashton Boughen etc back that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 3 minutes ago, SilentLurker said: The trouble is this is exactly what gets people hyped up about young riders. If you compare Ace Pijper and Will Cairns only one of them looks like a future top level speedway rider. Pijpers style is absolutely honking yet over recent form his scores have been tremendous. On the other hand cairns looks the part but he has not really done much scoring wise of late. But if you had to back one to go on and ‘make it’ you would pick cairns purely on ability on a bike. Pijper looks like he is just wobbling round trying his best to finish 4 laps and Cairns is as smooth as butter. Styles lure people into thinking riders are better than they are I suppose the likes of Adam Ellis, Lewis Bridger and Ashton Boughen etc back that up. Cooper Rushen is the new hot shot. Never mind about Cairns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Youhave2minutes said: Cooper Rushen is the new hot shot. Never mind about Cairns. Out of the 2 riders at Workington on Saturday I would go for Cooper Rushen but have only seen them both once but hard to choose really just on 1 meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluekevin Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Let's get back to the main thread. The topic is Poole V Glasgow. Kevin and Jan are going to Poole on Wednesday, travelling from Somerset. Then up to Glasgow to see the best fans we have met and then to Redcar. Then down to Poole before heading back to Somerset. Hope to see lbw in our travels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Bluekevin said: Let's get back to the main thread. The topic is Poole V Glasgow. Kevin and Jan are going to Poole on Wednesday, travelling from Somerset. Then up to Glasgow to see the best fans we have met and then to Redcar. Then down to Poole before heading back to Somerset. Hope to see lbw in our travels. Lbw will be too busy drinking flat whites 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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