Ben91 Posted Thursday at 04:08 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:08 PM 21 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Im assuming Connor Coles, Ben Morley and Max James all have to apply to get the 8% reduction which may or may not be granted..... Morley's been away from the second tier for a couple of years now as well. Two lots of 8% (and a British reduction, if that's still a thing?) would have left him well under a four point average. Would have made him quite a desirable option I'd imagine, if people had known the rule was only applied to the top two leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Thursday at 05:07 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:07 PM 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: its for the good of the sport😁 The most abused rule in the Handbook 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted Thursday at 05:54 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:54 PM On 1/26/2026 at 10:02 PM, Bandit59 said: Think you've been watching to much Traitors 😂 I thank you !!! Simon lambert it is. And Rob Godfrey was joking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapewrecker Posted Thursday at 06:25 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:25 PM This side don’t bode well for honours. I can see changes are going to be needed very soon once a new set of average are released. Hope I’m proven wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted Friday at 09:56 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 09:56 AM (edited) On 2/11/2026 at 9:57 PM, Mr Blobby said: Think Ablitt average is the real question. As it all doesn’t fit under 40 if you apply the correct discounts. So very unsure how this team has actually been made. So I reckon it will be 10.5% off Ablitt average with both discounts applying so he would start the season on a 4.46/4.47 average. Meaning that he will start just below Lambert who has a 4.48 average I think. Edited Friday at 10:00 AM by Paddy The Rebel Averages 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted Friday at 11:37 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:37 AM 1 hour ago, Paddy The Rebel said: So I reckon it will be 10.5% off Ablitt average with both discounts applying so he would start the season on a 4.46/4.47 average. Meaning that he will start just below Lambert who has a 4.48 average I think. Which in the grand scheme of things is ridiculous really, for a guy who still rode NDL/NDT an was offered two team spots at the start of the season and was going to sign for scunny mid season till he got injured. Robs ball his rules. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mgas Posted Friday at 12:23 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 12:23 PM 2 hours ago, Paddy The Rebel said: So I reckon it will be 10.5% off Ablitt average with both discounts applying so he would start the season on a 4.46/4.47 average. Meaning that he will start just below Lambert who has a 4.48 average I think. Is adding the percentage reductions together before application within the rules? It certainly doesn’t seem fair. I know it’s not a huge difference but it is different. Maybe someone with a better grasp of the rules could explain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Friday at 01:38 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:38 PM 1 hour ago, Mgas said: Is adding the percentage reductions together before application within the rules? It certainly doesn’t seem fair. I know it’s not a huge difference but it is different. Maybe someone with a better grasp of the rules could explain. Good luck with that.... I think someone with a better grasp of the rules may explain why it SHOULDN'T happen!!!... The official answer of course is that... "This is UK Speedway"... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mgas Posted Friday at 01:57 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:57 PM 19 minutes ago, mikebv said: Good luck with that.... I think someone with a better grasp of the rules may explain why it SHOULDN'T happen!!!... The official answer of course is that... "This is UK Speedway"... That is what I thought 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted Friday at 03:16 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 03:16 PM So let me just check this so i can pretend to follow along..... 2024 Ablitt finished season on 5.04 less 2.5% reduction..... 2025 Ablitt didn't ride "professional league" still gets 2.5% reduction 2026 Ablitt can "apply" for an additional 8% reduction In my tiny mind he shouldn't get the 2.5% at the end of 2025 simply because he didn't participate and then be able to claim an additional 8% for......not participating...... There has to be a point where the actions of a few are considered to be bringing the sport into disrepute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted Friday at 04:02 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:02 PM (edited) Really don't see what the problem is with this the reduction however it was worked out has allowed us to sign Simon lambert not Robert lambert with what was left. According to most forum members we are going to be so far adrift in the runnings it seems a debate for debates sake. Edited Friday at 04:51 PM by phillwhitewasmad 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mgas Posted Friday at 05:12 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 05:12 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Really don't see what the problem is with this the reduction however it was worked out has allowed us to sign Simon lambert not Robert lambert with what was left. According to most forum members we are going to be so far adrift in the runnings it seems a debate for debates sake. I honestly don’t have a problem with the team or any rider. My gripe is with the way rules in British speedway are just made up with very little effort or thought. I’m still waiting for an explanation for the points deduction to Workington last year. What is the criteria that needs to be met when the 8% reduction is applied for? How does that reduction work along side other reductions? I have quite a few other questions but it’s a waste of time listing them as the first two won’t be answered clearly. As much as I’m a bore, the point in any rule or law in sports is it will affect all the same. If the application of either is inconsistent it brings the whole show into disrepute. Edited Friday at 05:25 PM by Mgas 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Friday at 05:17 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 05:17 PM 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Really don't see what the problem is with this the reduction however it was worked out has allowed us to sign Simon lambert not Robert lambert with what was left. According to most forum members we are going to be so far adrift in the runnings it seems a debate for debates sake. Think it’s the principle with most on the forum.I couldn’t care who wins what in Speedway. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Friday at 10:01 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:01 PM Personally I do not see the issue, he only needs the 8 per cent deduction to fit him in the team as long as it is the rule that you get 8 per cent for missing a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted Friday at 11:17 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:17 PM 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Personally I do not see the issue, he only needs the 8 per cent deduction to fit him in the team as long as it is the rule that you get 8 per cent for missing a year. But that is the point.... he didn't miss a year, he rode in the NDL. As I've stated before this "non-professional" League is a load of nonsense - if he got paid he was a professional in a professional league. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan555 Posted yesterday at 12:01 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:01 AM 37 minutes ago, StevePark said: But that is the point.... he didn't miss a year, he rode in the NDL. As I've stated before this "non-professional" League is a load of nonsense - if he got paid he was a professional in a professional league. Well the BSPA clearly do not class the National League as a professional league (which is more than fair and correct in my opinion). Lots of people get paid small fees across a range of motorsports it certainly doesn’t make them professional! No standalone National league rider can make speedway their day job! You only have to look back to the Covid times when the national league / national league level matches were allowed to race because it was classed as amateur! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago (edited) On 2/14/2026 at 12:01 AM, Ryan555 said: Well the BSPA clearly do not class the National League as a professional league (which is more than fair and correct in my opinion). Lots of people get paid small fees across a range of motorsports it certainly doesn’t make them professional! No standalone National league rider can make speedway their day job! You only have to look back to the Covid times when the national league / national league level matches were allowed to race because it was classed as amateur! I think the debate over % reductions here valid and raises the questions. But it will not change anything as the team has now been declared and the BSP must be ok with it. Averages will always be a bone of contention. Always have. They are anti-speedway in my book that has become a neccesary evil. At Bradford we quite openly manipulated averages. At the start of the season you would be asking why this rider ? or that. Then Alan Ham would say dont panic theres going to be changes. There were and we strengthened up. I'm fairly sure the riders will know this and accept it. But they get the chance to showcase what they can do so they may get the chance elsewhere. Speedway generally is not very loyal and I dont like that aspect. Scunthorpe have over time been overly loyal to riders. But I think we have learnt from that. I would be suprised if do not know already "the calvalry" arriving in May ? I dont reckon Pickering would have signed up to a season long carrying the team on his own ? There is of course the chance that unwittingly we have assembled the 2026 Champions elect and the 1-7 that starts v Redcar 22/3 ends the season in September. But Speedway doesnt work like that does it ? Edited 2 hours ago by thebaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, thebaron said: Speedway generally is not very loyal and I dont like that aspect. Scunthorpe have over time been overly loyal to riders. But I think we have learnt from that. I would be suprised if do not know already "the calvalry" arriving in May ? I dont reckon Pickering would have signed up to a season long carrying the team on his own ? Speedway riders are mercenaries it's all about what they earn . Winning is nice but getting paid is better . In a sport we're winning a title means nothing and there no financial reward you get the best deal you can 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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