Czech GP Prague Saturday 23rd May

[racers and royals]

6 minutes ago, IainB said:

Hang on a minute... am I misunderstanding this?

If I finish with 5 heat points and qualify for LCQ1 and you finish with 11 points and qualify for LCQ2 and we both finish 2nd in our respective LCQ's you get 1 more point on the basis that you outscored me in the heat qualifiers? 

Yes got it in 1.

i score 12 GP points and you score 11- fair reward for me outscoring you over 20 heats !

it’s not often anyone qualifies for the LCQ’s only scoring 5 !!!

Edited 4 hours ago by racers and royals

[IainB]

1 minute ago, racers and royals said:

Yes got it in 1.

i score 12 GP points and you score 11- fair reward for me outscoring you over 20 heats !

it’s not ofter anyone qualifies for the LCQ’s only scoring 5 !!!

Well why didn't somebody just say this 😉

I'm not going to lie... it still makes my head hurt especially when it comes to the final GP when it's all settled.

I probably need to lay off the alcohol when I'm watching it I obviously need all my wits about me and my full attention!

[racers and royals]

1 minute ago, IainB said:

Well why didn't somebody just say this 😉

I'm not going to lie... it still makes my head hurt especially when it comes to the final GP when it's all settled.

I probably need to lay off the alcohol when I'm watching it I obviously need all my wits about me and my full attention!

Well it does help that finally the GP graphics are spot on, which if you freeze the screen after 20 heats it is so simple to note.

who are the top 2 who go to the final

who finishes 3rd,6th,8th and 9th for LCQ 1

who finishes 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th into LCQ 2

I put the finishing position against the riders name ( after the gate draw) so i can easily see who gets the extra point for 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

After all i am a professional LOL

[norbold]

56 minutes ago, IainB said:

Hang on a minute... am I misunderstanding this?

If I finish with 5 heat points and qualify for LCQ1 and you finish with 11 points and qualify for LCQ2 and we both finish 2nd in our respective LCQ's you get 1 more point on the basis that you outscored me in the heat qualifiers? 

 Hooray! Well done.

[IainB]

5 minutes ago, norbold said:

 Hooray! Well done.

Come on, I'm going to have to take my medicine this morning... just don't got OTT 🙏

😂

[bigcatdiary]

1 hour ago, racers and royals said:

Really it’s not difficult to understand - there are not more points in LCQ 1 than LCQ 2. Various people have explained that finishing positions after 20 heats determine everything for LCQ 1 and 2 and final.

both semi’s are in theory equal as the 8 riders appearing positions add up to 26 in each.

i have said for a long time that this format does mean every race counts.

both 4ths in the LCQ’s get 8 and 7 GP points. The points awarded do depend on both riders finishing the race. That was why even finishing 8th Fricke finished lower than Doyle ( 10th )

both 3rd’s get 10 and 9 - Kubera(5th) got 10 Lebedevs(9th) got 9

both 2nd’s get 12 and 11- Holder (3rd) got 12 and Woryna( 7th) got 11

Tim I seriously doubt that the vast majority (me included) haven’t got a bloody clue how it all works out and it’s just bloody ridiculous when you consider they changed it from an easy formula that everyone pretty much understood to what they currently use.

20 qualifying races, 2 semis and final was used for years and it worked okay, the scoring system, 3,2,1,0 was easy and Falls, Retirements, Tapes and Disqualifications is pretty straight forward. 
I am not sure who does the race card spreadsheet for the referees (like Kandysoft in the UK) but apart from them, you and the odd official I bet not many, with most relying on you and them to sort it out.

I would bet Tatum and the rest of the commentators are as much in the dark as 98% of the spectators.

They even now go through the rigmarole of warning riders time after time who try and guess the tapes going up, again it’s bloody nonsense just disqualify them, they would soon learn to sit still and not try to anticipate the start.

OK the point about a rider winning a GP getting less points than someone else could easily be avoided by just awarding the winner 25 points, with the rest getting what they earned from the heats.

Yesterday was the very first time I enjoyed a Prague Grand Prix, the second half of the meeting had some very good racing, after the usual processional start and it was refreshing to see.

[Dodger Blue]

The thing that I find unfair is Fricke tried to overtake and falls, Doyle rides at the back but scores one more point for finishing despite scoring one less point in qualifying. That rewards effort (not)

[Grachan]

A good meeting. So, why was Madsen put through to the final instead of Holder? As someone who has become something of a casual follower of the sport, I don't know. But how on earth can you have 2 commentators, neither of whom know the rules on qualification for the final. that is seriously shocking.

They really need to be doing their homework, or get someone in who has. Too often, situations arise and they quite happily admit to having no idea what is going on. Not good enough.

With Bewley out, I'm struggling to retain interest this year. I really thought he was in with a shout this year, and with Zmarzlik still not 100% I think he may have gone into the lead last night.

Zmarzlik, however. What can you say? The guy is well below his best so far, yet still top of the score chart. At least Kurtz looked more on the case yesterday, so could still challenge.

[racers and royals]

19 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

Tim I seriously doubt that the vast majority (me included) haven’t got a bloody clue how it all works out and it’s just bloody ridiculous when you consider they changed it from an easy formula that everyone pretty much understood to what they currently use.

20 qualifying races, 2 semis and final was used for years and it worked okay, the scoring system, 3,2,1,0 was easy and Falls, Retirements, Tapes and Disqualifications is pretty straight forward. 
I am not sure who does the race card spreadsheet for the referees (like Kandysoft in the UK) but apart from them, you and the odd official I bet not many, with most relying on you and them to sort it out.

I would bet Tatum and the rest of the commentators are as much in the dark as 98% of the spectators.

They even now go through the rigmarole of warning riders time after time who try and guess the tapes going up, again it’s bloody nonsense just disqualify them, they would soon learn to sit still and not try to anticipate the start.

OK the point about a rider winning a GP getting less points than someone else could easily be avoided by just awarding the winner 25 points, with the rest getting what they earned from the heats.

Yesterday was the very first time I enjoyed a Prague Grand Prix, the second half of the meeting had some very good racing, after the usual processional start and it was refreshing to see.

Baansport have the contract.

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, racers and royals said:

Well it does help that finally the GP graphics are spot on, which if you freeze the screen after 20 heats it is so simple to note.

who are the top 2 who go to the final

who finishes 3rd,6th,8th and 9th for LCQ 1

who finishes 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th into LCQ 2

I put the finishing position against the riders name ( after the gate draw) so i can easily see who gets the extra point for 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

After all i am a professional LOL

Well then you have no business being involved in speedway

[Grachan]

20 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

 

OK the point about a rider winning a GP getting less points than someone else could easily be avoided by just awarding the winner 25 points, with the rest getting what they earned from the heats.

 

I actually don't have too much of a problem with the scoring as you need to look beyond Program Board nerds to attract a wider audience.

If they did do that, though, I would go for 20 points for the winner, with a bonus point awarded for going the whole meeting unbeaten,

[bigcatdiary]

15 minutes ago, Grachan said:

I actually don't have too much of a problem with the scoring as you need to look beyond Program Board nerds to attract a wider audience.

If they did do that, though, I would go for 20 points for the winner, with a bonus point awarded for going the whole meeting unbeaten,

5 qualifying races, 1 semi or LCQ and a final already provides the chance to get 21

[Grachan]

8 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

5 qualifying races, 1 semi or LCQ and a final already provides the chance to get 21

Yeah. That was the point of saying they'd get a bonus point for winning all their races.

Although, thinking about it, there are no points for the LCQs and if you scored 15 you wouldn't be in one so you'd only get 18.

I think leave the points scoring as it is. It's fine.

 

[Gambo]

Despite not being a fan of Jack Holder, I found it grossly unfair that Madsen (11 points) got seeded to the Final when Jack (11 pts) had beaten him in Heat 19. I could however, agree with heat times being the criteria if there had been 3 riders tied.

[FAST GATER]

1 hour ago, Grachan said:

Zmarzlik, however. What can you say? The guy is well below his best so far, yet still top of the score chart. At least Kurtz looked more on the case yesterday, so could still challenge.

That's my opinion as well we are just not seeing best of BZ yet wonder what's amiss but he still manages to stay on or near the top . I do think that Prague is not his best hunting ground for him  a final and third place is more than an acceptable result . .

[PersonalResponsibility]

2 hours ago, Dodger Blue said:

The thing that I find unfair is Fricke tried to overtake and falls, Doyle rides at the back but scores one more point for finishing despite scoring one less point in qualifying. That rewards effort (not)

I agree, this was the most unfair part of it all. I know we've always had this rule that a crash/EF is considered worse than a straight zero, but Fricke scored more than him in the heats. It wasn't even like they were tied.

[PersonalResponsibility]

2 hours ago, Dodger Blue said:

The thing that I find unfair is Fricke tried to overtake and falls, Doyle rides at the back but scores one more point for finishing despite scoring one less point in qualifying. That rewards effort (not)

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Edited 38 minutes ago by PersonalResponsibility

[Fromafar]

45 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

That's my opinion as well we are just not seeing best of BZ yet wonder what's amiss but he still manages to stay on or near the top . I do think that Prague is not his best hunting ground for him  a final and third place is more than an acceptable result . .

He won in Prague in 2025.!

[gjcone44]

i dont think zmarzlic is riding poor, he is still on top of his game , i just think some of the other riders have upped their game, but not as consistantly.  

[racers and royals]

1 hour ago, Gambo said:

Despite not being a fan of Jack Holder, I found it grossly unfair that Madsen (11 points) got seeded to the Final when Jack (11 pts) had beaten him in Heat 19. I could however, agree with heat times being the criteria if there had been 3 riders tied.

Only because the FIM complete cock-up of that 4 way (?) tie at Cardiff a few years back that they stupidly changed the rules to no head to head but fastest times !!  

Edited 11 minutes ago by racers and royals