szkocjasid Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 4 hours ago, Noelinho said: I agree in principle, but I also know if we do that and guests become 2-point NDL riders, crowds will get worse very quickly. Guests of a similar calibre do at least mean we usually get good racing even if the system frustrates. Chuck in two-point riders and no-one will be satisfied. I guess if only one rider is missing, R/R isn't terrible, but I can think of quite a few fixtures where it's been multiple riders. Ultimately, might not be an issue past this year anyway, because how many riders of that level be left racing here? The "no facility" rule doesn't mean 2 points NL riders, it means a 75% guest. Maybe they should try it for ONE season for the KOC, advertise.it as a no guests competition, then if crowds are poor, that's there excuse for never getting rid of the guest system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Mgas said: I’m not sure encouraging fans to boycott an away meeting will make the slightest difference to either Dan or the powers at Edinburgh. Neither will even notice. Not attending a home match is more likely to be noticed. I do hope the away fans come down and have a good evening. They're all in it together though... that's the sad truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mgas Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Bandit59 said: Think there might be footy on ? I don’t know but I guess we will be in for a bit of a dusty evening if there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Mgas said: I don’t know but I guess we will be in for a bit of a dusty evening if there is. Tweedmouth Rangers playing today although they kick off at 2-30pm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Different situation, Klindt missed Saturday matches, due to riding on a Sunday, Dan is racing today. 7 hours ago, IainB said: Why did Edinburgh agree to ride with their number 1 away? Fair enough, at least he's actually racing Turns out he didn't do any racing anyway. I'm guessing he got paid more to sit in the pits than score 15 points for Edinburgh? I don't like the amount of meetings missed by riders, but what can the BSPL do? If Champ clubs only picked riders who don't race in Poland, the league would be much weaker! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 7 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: We did have Howarth lined up as a guest, to which we received a call Thursday/Friday morning to say he’s now took an alternative booking closer to home was his reason, at Worky. 🥴 6 hours ago, IainB said: Does he still live in Marlborough? Marlborough to Worky 299 miles, Marlborough to Berwick 347 miles, those extra 48 miles at 22p per mile £10.46 lol I wonder if Mr Dickson advised him to take the Worky fixture 🤔 This is where the spineless SCB should step in and enforce his agreement to ride in the initially agreed fixture... not that they should have sanctioned the fixture in the first place. It's no way to run a professional sport! Totally agree with Ian here, while the SCB can't force Howarth to ride, if he previously agreed to ride for Edinburgh then changed his mind for another team, I think it's only fair for them to block the 2nd booking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 57 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: The "no facility" rule doesn't mean 2 points NL riders, it means a 75% guest. Maybe they should try it for ONE season for the KOC, advertise.it as a no guests competition, then if crowds are poor, that's there excuse for never getting rid of the guest system? Does the 75% rule apply to Rider Replacement ? This would reduce Dans figure to about 6.6 or thereabouts, meaning Sedgmen's average would be too high to take a RR ride. Haven't worked out exact figures but the principle applies whether tonight or later in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: The "no facility" rule doesn't mean 2 points NL riders, it means a 75% guest. Maybe they should try it for ONE season for the KOC, advertise.it as a no guests competition, then if crowds are poor, that's there excuse for never getting rid of the guest system? Going back to 1965, the last season without guests, some teams notably Long Eaton and Cradley were getting murdered regularly at home and crowds were only saved by the novelty of former NL teams appearing on their track for the first time. Nowadays it would be financial suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 47 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Turns out he didn't do any racing anyway. I'm guessing he got paid more to sit in the pits than score 15 points for Edinburgh? I don't like the amount of meetings missed by riders, but what can the BSPL do? If Champ clubs only picked riders who don't race in Poland, the league would be much weaker! They should not allow facilities for non- injured riders, give a kid a chance, god knows they need it this season. I wonder if Edinburgh would have been so keen to agree to the fixture knowing they'd have to track a junior 🤔 Looks like it's R/R tonight for DT. Edited 22 hours ago by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 28 minutes ago, Beirao said: Going back to 1965, the last season without guests, some teams notably Long Eaton and Cradley were getting murdered regularly at home and crowds were only saved by the novelty of former NL teams appearing on their track for the first time. Nowadays it would be financial suicide. Were they arranging fixtures knowing riders would be unavailable? When guesting was introduced was it to cover any excuse or just injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 8 hours ago, IainB said: The trouble is there doesn't seem to be anybody showing any interest in resolving the situation, when clubs are agreeing to stage rearranged fixtures on dates that they know their number 1 will be missing... it's makes it even more difficult to take the competition seriously. And while clubs keep getting facilities to cover this situation it will only continue and probably get worse, it's a very sad state of affairs. It's a hobby, so meetings get made up to suit, as required... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: The "no facility" rule doesn't mean 2 points NL riders, it means a 75% guest. Maybe they should try it for ONE season for the KOC, advertise.it as a no guests competition, then if crowds are poor, that's there excuse for never getting rid of the guest system? They just need to drop the number of riders per team... Use the Danish model and have plenty of riders on standby to fill holes as the season progresses... Crackers to keep saying "their isn't enough riders", and still keep using a model that was fine when there was... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitza Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago Congratulations Berwick looks like you are through to the BSN semis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago (edited) So, Dan Thompson and the Edinburgh management have cost the rest of the team an extra 2 meetings... well done to all concerned 👏 The fans? Screw the fans 🖕 Edited 18 hours ago by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 1 minute ago, IainB said: So, Dan Thompson and the Edinburgh management have cost the rest of the team an extra 2 meetings... well done to all concerned 👏 The fans? Screw the fans 🖕 Precisely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 5 minutes ago, IainB said: So, Dan Thompson and the Edinburgh management have cost the rest of the team an extra 2 meetings... well done to all concerned 👏 The fans? Screw the fans 🖕 Well you can voice your concerns to Dan next time you are at Leicester. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntdouble Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Whitelinehugger said: Precisely Like I said before if there going to Poland why are you signing them when you know there going to miss meetings. It’s not rocket science is it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 7 minutes ago, LisaColette said: Well you can voice your concerns to Dan next time you are at Leicester. 😉 It's okay... I'll just vote with my feet and my wallet 👍🏻 ... like everybody else has Edited 18 hours ago by IainB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago Great result tonight, good team performance many thanks to our guests who gave their all and got their rewards,Kye was impressive and Grahm got pass marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 5 hours ago, Beirao said: Does the 75% rule apply to Rider Replacement ? This would reduce Dans figure to about 6.6 or thereabouts, meaning Sedgmen's average would be too high to take a RR ride. Haven't worked out exact figures but the principle applies whether tonight or later in the season. It doesn't clubs have to use a guest when they have "no facility" which I find odd. Don't see why there can't be a 75% r/r rule tbh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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