Premiership 2027 - Are You Interested??

[gjcone44]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

They can crack on though if that’s the plan. 

not said thats the plan but thats where it may eventually end up. and i am zero interested if it carries on as it is.

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

I have zero interest in that personally. They can crack on though if that’s the plan. 

The current way of running the sport has ended up with more ex fans showing zero interest in the sport than still attend...

In short. This unfit for purpose operating model and business plan doesn't work..

What amazes me is that almost every season the conference is said to be, by at least one promoter, "the most important ever", and "we all need to work together to improve things"...

Which, suggests, just by using those phrases, the promoters know that what they currently do isn't working...

Yet, by the end of each conference hardly anything fundamentally gets changed!!!

With the changes that are made being things like "riding across the centre green now gets you excluded"!. 

And obviously we have "the best conference ever", "we are all on the same page" etc etc etc, upon conference close..

Baffling that we end up with pretty much the same operating model and business plan each year, which naturally, and obviously, will deliver pretty much the same results each year, and, at the end of the season the promoters recognise the issues, then do nothing to sort them..

Using the same plan will only keep the sport going the same way it has so far...

[Aries]

6 minutes ago, mikebv said:

The current way of running the sport has ended up with more ex fans showing zero interest in the sport than still attend...

In short. This unfit for purpose operating model and business plan doesn't work..

What amazes me is that almost every season the conference is said to be, by at least one promoter, "the most important ever", and "we all need to work together to improve things"...

Which, suggests, just by using those phrases, the promoters know that what they currently do isn't working...

Yet, by the end of each conference hardly anything fundamentally gets changed!!!

With the changes that are made being things like "riding across the centre green now gets you excluded"!. 

And obviously we have "the best conference ever", "we are all on the same page" etc etc etc, upon conference close..

Baffling that we end up with pretty much the same operating model and business plan each year, which naturally, and obviously, will deliver pretty much the same results each year, and, at the end of the season the promoters recognise the issues, then do nothing to sort them..

Using the same plan will only keep the sport going the same way it has so far...

I don’t disagree, but if the plan is to water it down further and make it “semi pro”, then they’ll lose another paying customer. 
 

Not interested. 

[gjcone44]

some Ipswich fans talking about team changes for next year, 😁 gonna be worse next season than this.

[Daniel Smith]

4 minutes ago, Aries said:

I don’t disagree, but if the plan is to water it down further and make it “semi pro”, then they’ll lose another paying customer. 
 

Not interested. 

There are not enough riders around that'll accept a 'Semi-Professional' league. I wouldn't worry to much as that option definitely won't be on the table.

[gjcone44]

7 minutes ago, Aries said:

I don’t disagree, but if the plan is to water it down further and make it “semi pro”, then they’ll lose another paying customer. 
 

Not interested. 

plenty people watched semi pro in 70s/80s.

[YeOldPitGate]

The impression I got from reading the article by the Scottish fella in the Star is it will still be two leagues next season I know a lot are against it and we all have our bias but personally if they could get a semi decent tv deal I still think two leagues of eight is way to go but just once home and away in the top league but ideally 20-30% better quality if it can be financed.

Given other than Buster I think all other teams rent their stadiums if nothing else the losses would probably be halved and more people should turn up to watch as fewer but (hopefully) better quality meetings so long as not monthly home meetings.

The bottom three-four riders in teams league one could still double up in league 2 which could run 2 home ,2 away, as far as I'm aware Poland top league is just once home and away and it seems to work well for their top league.

[noaksey]

2 hours ago, YeOldPitGate said:

The impression I got from reading the article by the Scottish fella in the Star is it will still be two leagues next season I know a lot are against it and we all have our bias but personally if they could get a semi decent tv deal I still think two leagues of eight is way to go but just once home and away in the top league but ideally 20-30% better quality if it can be financed.

Given other than Buster I think all other teams rent their stadiums if nothing else the losses would probably be halved and more people should turn up to watch as fewer but (hopefully) better quality meetings so long as not monthly home meetings.

The bottom three-four riders in teams league one could still double up in league 2 which could run 2 home ,2 away, as far as I'm aware Poland top league is just once home and away and it seems to work well for their top league.

Less meetings probably means higher rents though I'd expect.

You do wonder where a tv deal (that actually pays proper money not the other way round) and sponsorship might come from.

Maybe Coleman has some ideas on this

[Daniel Smith]

Just an idea

1 big league spit in to North & South divisions. Home & away x1. Top 4 from each move on to Play-Offs, Home & away x1. Whomever finish top wins the league. 

Remaining teams below both top 4s, home & away x1 compete for the Caven Shield.

Guarantee of around 12-13 Home fixtures pending number of teams. 

Plus KO Cup, Pairs & British Final (scrap the qualifiers).

All averages in the 1st season converted to current Premiership. Team building to 40.00.

Introduce a grading system for year 1 also.

Grade A: SGP, Ekstraliga ave 7.00+, Elitserien, Danish League & Premiership 8.00+.

Grade B: Ekstraliga 6.99-4.00, Elitserien, Danish League & Premiership 7.99-6.00.

Grade C: Everyone else.

If a team signs 1 Grade A they can have 2 Grade Bs. Sign 2 Grade As, it's only 1 Grade B. Sign no Grade As, can have up to 4 Grade Bs.

[Hawk127]

17 hours ago, YeOldPitGate said:

The impression I got from reading the article by the Scottish fella in the Star is it will still be two leagues next season I know a lot are against it and we all have our bias but personally if they could get a semi decent tv deal I still think two leagues of eight is way to go but just once home and away in the top league but ideally 20-30% better quality if it can be financed.

Given other than Buster I think all other teams rent their stadiums if nothing else the losses would probably be halved and more people should turn up to watch as fewer but (hopefully) better quality meetings so long as not monthly home meetings.

The bottom three-four riders in teams league one could still double up in league 2 which could run 2 home ,2 away, as far as I'm aware Poland top league is just once home and away and it seems to work well for their top league.

One possible downside with just eight home meetings could be that the stadium owners think it is no longer worthwhile renting the stadium to a speedway club or would the owners impose rent increases to match the income they had before the reduction in meetings. One way might be for all top sides to run NDL teams fortnightly but I do not know the costs etc so it may not be viable. For sure, if stadium owners do not get a decent income then they might just think it is time to sell up and take the capital gain and invest in something else. I know it is unclear why Arlington has closed but when you think of the way that was filled on a regular basis and yet Spedeworth had the rug pulled says it all about the state of oval stadia in this country. Few are really 100% safe and because of that speedway is not in a good position.  With the decline in the number of stadia owners willing to allow oval sports that makes it hard to attract decent investment and you could see a time where just a few tracks remain and either compete in a European league(if rules permit) or those that remain stage individual meetings and international meetings. Difficult one for all involved to resolve going forward.

[Arthur73]

I personally would like to keep 2 leagues as I think one big league would cause a gulf in talent between riders and teams.

I would like to make 2 simple changes for next season:

1. Premiership teams can race on any day apart from Saturday and Sunday. Championship sides ride on any day.

  - Riders can still compete in the Polish 2nd + 3rd division

  - More favorable nights for Poole, Glasgow and many other current championship teams

  - Polish 1st division riders would miss very few meetings if they joined a team without Friday as their race night

2. Only 2 riders per championship team can double up:

  - Aim to stop doubling up by 2029

  - Allow a bigger gap between the championship and premiership as the products are way too close

[mikebv]

3 minutes ago, Hawk127 said:

One possible downside with just eight home meetings could be that the stadium owners think it is no longer worthwhile renting the stadium to a speedway club or would the owners impose rent increases to match the income they had before the reduction in meetings. One way might be for all top sides to run NDL teams fortnightly but I do not know the costs etc so it may not be viable. For sure, if stadium owners do not get a decent income then they might just think it is time to sell up and take the capital gain and invest in something else. I know it is unclear why Arlington has closed but when you think of the way that was filled on a regular basis and yet Spedeworth had the rug pulled says it all about the state of oval stadia in this country. Few are really 100% safe and because of that speedway is not in a good position.  With the decline in the number of stadia owners willing to allow oval sports that makes it hard to attract decent investment and you could see a time where just a few tracks remain and either compete in a European league(if rules permit) or those that remain stage individual meetings and international meetings. Difficult one for all involved to resolve going forward.

I think a League with UK Sweden and Denmark just could be an answer for the sport over here ..

The "professional teams", could join and let the "hobby teams" ride in their own Championship...

If only 3 teams currently want to ride in a top tier then they can join up with the 16 Scandinavian teams, giving 18 home matches, plus any play offs...

And that would leave a 12 team Championship with non Poland contracted riders..

Using Denmark's system would mean just 15 riders needed over here..

It would create strong interest from the many who no longer attend regularly I would think, and also likely get TV coverage, and some decent sponsorship...

Pay rates are not too different in either of the three leagues below  Poland, so rider costs wouldn't be much different, with travel and accommodation being the only add on, however, many riders fly in and out now from country to country so even that wouldn't be too much of a big difference..

You would also get to see every top rider in the world over here, once, or twice if reaching the play offs..

A bona fide sporting league that has kudos, with different teams of only riders contracted to them, some you only get to see once, with regular meetings, ticks a lot of boxes that UK Speedway currently doesn't..

 

 

[Bagpuss]

53 minutes ago, Arthur73 said:

I personally would like to keep 2 leagues as I think one big league would cause a gulf in talent between riders and teams.

I would like to make 2 simple changes for next season:

1. Premiership teams can race on any day apart from Saturday and Sunday. Championship sides ride on any day.

  - Riders can still compete in the Polish 2nd + 3rd division

  - More favorable nights for Poole, Glasgow and many other current championship teams

  - Polish 1st division riders would miss very few meetings if they joined a team without Friday as their race night

2. Only 2 riders per championship team can double up:

  - Aim to stop doubling up by 2029

  - Allow a bigger gap between the championship and premiership as the products are way too close

Agree about doubling up but the bits in bold just wont work if you want to share riders with other leagues, set race nights in our top tier are a must. Championship teams can race when they like but they can't be signing riders who are going to be committed elsewhere in Europe on a regular basis and miss UK meetings.

[paulnolan]

They have to cut back to grow. It's the only sensible option. Which means it's off the table.

[Daniel Smith]

Is this a radical enough idea to get past Poland's +1 league restrictions?

SVEMO, DMU, ACU agree to become a joint league venture.

Start the season as 'Regional Divisions' so as usual league racing, home & away x1, then the top 2 from each division go on to the 'Continental Championship'.