TTT Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, Gasser90 said: Absolutely if they chose to get a visa for here and live here it makes sense to ride here, but what I’m saying is that it’s just as easy to get a visa to live in Poland, move heard first hand from Aussie riders that say it’s actually easier to set up base in Poland than it is England, especially if they do ride in polish leagues as they have to practice twice a week out there anyway VISA's I agree, Easier to set up base but the reasoning to set up in Britain is beyond Speedway related for most Aussie's. Family comes first as we all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTRSports Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago Been thinking about the format and how could the powers that be offer a bit extra value for money and/or entertainment. So an idea sprung to mind for the top flight, how about introducing a "Premier league Shootout Series" End of the meeting, the top 4 scorers from both teams race against each other But a 1 lap shootout, one rider selected from each side, so basically 4 Heats of a Sprint. The home team selects the rider they are putting up and then the away team pairs them up with who they select. Has no baring on the overall meeting score but heats are scored 1-0, the shootout series has a separate league table End of season, top 4 qualify for an old style 4TT hosted by the club finishing top of the shootout series I.e. a potential big money generating meeting 1 lap sprints also doesn't put a great deal of cost on the rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTRSports Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago Been thinking about the format and how could the powers that be offer a bit extra value for money and/or entertainment. So an idea sprung to mind for the top flight, how about introducing a "Premier league Shootout Series" End of the meeting, the top 4 scorers from both teams race against each other But a 1 lap shootout, one rider selected from each side, so basically 4 Heats of a Sprint. The home team selects the rider they are putting up and then the away team pairs them up with who they select. Has no baring on the overall meeting score but heats are scored 1-0, the shootout series has a separate league table End of season, top 4 qualify for an old style 4TT hosted by the club finishing top of the shootout series I.e. a potential big money generating meeting 1 lap sprints also doesn't put a great deal of cost on the rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 11 hours ago, ouch said: In 1976 less than half the teams in the league rode on a Saturday (6). 3 rode on a Friday with the other 10 riding mid week. This was at the height of the sports popularity yet most CHOOSE to open mid week. Moving to alternate nights to gain the biggest crowd happens in all industries. Film distributors will not go up against the blockbusters, bands will swerve dates when big hitters are in town and pubs will arrange theme nights on dates to attract the most punters. It’s not a case that Saturday is the holy grail and we need to avoid the negative connotations currently being associated with mid week. I will tell you why most of the Speedway/Greyhound Stadia raced midweek, it was where Greyhounds owned the stadiums, Friday & Saturday were the nights where they would get most spectators through the gate, nowadays it's the live streaming to shops where the money is they aint bothered about spectators because it costs money to run stadiums for spectators, streaming a meeting costs very little by comparison and the income is greater. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 9 hours ago, heathen52 said: I will tell you why most of the Speedway/Greyhound Stadia raced midweek, it was where Greyhounds owned the stadiums, Friday & Saturday were the nights where they would get most spectators through the gate, nowadays it's the live streaming to shops where the money is they aint bothered about spectators because it costs money to run stadiums for spectators, streaming a meeting costs very little by comparison and the income is greater. Well that then begs the question why Hackney, Newport, Wolves, Coventry, Swindon & Cradley greyhound tracks allowed speedway to run on Friday & Saturday nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 14 hours ago, 1 valve said: Depending on exchange rates at the time. Winning the Extraliga earns the winning team circa £100k prize. The winner of a GP gets £10k with a sliding scale down to £4k for last place. No money paid for heats. 13 hours ago, mikebv said: A Polish top tier team gets, according to AI, a minimum, $8M dollars a year... If they followed the UK model, then they would be lucky to earn 5% of that, given TV, Sponsors, and Fans wouldn't be engaged.. As for the GP's? The riders earn plenty from sponsors, and can use their GP position to negotiate better terms in Poland's top tier.. So if you finish last your income is £8,000,000 & if you win your income is £8,100,000. I’m missing the big prize money element here for what is only a 1.25% uplift. The prize money for WINNING a GP round equates to a decent night in the Extraliga. If you’re further down the pack it’s like a good night in the UK. Again, I’m missing the big prize money element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Lots of debate about the pros and cons of having the top riders as part of the offering Below is link to an interesting view as to why cricket's 'The Hundred' has not captured the fans imagination https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DdVaFxxXD/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Lots of debate about the pros and cons of having the top riders as part of the offering Below is link to an interesting view as to why cricket's 'The Hundred' has not captured the fans imagination https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DdVaFxxXD/ Contrived teams being just put together, with minimal affinity being felt by many who closely follow the sport.. It doesn't engender that emotional loyalty that a team sport needs to be successful.... Crowds are better at the weekends than when they have played during the week though.. And heading to the knockout stage the interest and crowds are expected to grow... Sounds strangely familiar.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, ouch said: Well that then begs the question why Hackney, Newport, Wolves, Coventry, Swindon & Cradley greyhound tracks allowed speedway to run on Friday & Saturday nights. Don't know about the others, but Hackney greyhounds ran on Thursday and Saturday nights, so there was no problem with "Make it a Date, Friday at Eight" for speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, ouch said: So if you finish last your income is £8,000,000 & if you win your income is £8,100,000. I’m missing the big prize money element here for what is only a 1.25% uplift. The prize money for WINNING a GP round equates to a decent night in the Extraliga. If you’re further down the pack it’s like a good night in the UK. Again, I’m missing the big prize money element. The big money comes in through the sponsorship and TV coverage.with "the prize" being huge contracts... Huge budgets means riders earning circa €800k for riding for your local speedway team will inevitably bring local, and national, interest, and a decent following... The whole thing then looks "big time", which can only be a good thing when being viewed by the general public... The GP's still pay out decent money with anyone regularly in and around the top six earning £80k to £100k over a season of 10 GP's.. And winning the World Final was never a massive cash prize but the World Champion made big money over the coming 12 months.. I seem to remember it was said in the late 70's it was worth up to £250k in sponsorship, points money, and lucrative appearance fees.. Zmarzlik currently nationally advertisers Aztorin Watches which will be a very nice earner for him I would suggest, especially given the price point they sell at.. Again, bringing "eyeballs" to the sport through his appearance in the adverts.. UK Speedway desperately needs to look "big time" and quickly, and, somehow, bringing big money into it will deliver those optics.. Hopefully someone can make it happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulnolan Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago Avoiding weekends without longstanding historical precedence is stupid. There's a reason most things happen at weekends and that's because people are too tired during the week or don't want a late night before work. So Friday and Saturday nights, and Saturday and Sunday afternoons are premium times for any entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 9 minutes ago, mikebv said: The big money comes in through the sponsorship and TV coverage.with "the prize" being huge contracts... Huge budgets means riders earning circa €800k for riding for your local speedway team will inevitably bring local, and national, interest, and a decent following... The whole thing then looks "big time", which can only be a good thing when being viewed by the general public... The GP's still pay out decent money with anyone regularly in and around the top six earning £80k to £100k over a season of 10 GP's.. And winning the World Final was never a massive cash prize but the World Champion made big money over the coming 12 months.. I seem to remember it was said in the late 70's it was worth up to £250k in sponsorship, points money, and lucrative appearance fees.. Zmarzlik currently nationally advertisers Aztorin Watches which will be a very nice earner for him I would suggest, especially given the price point they sell at.. Again, bringing "eyeballs" to the sport through his appearance in the adverts.. UK Speedway desperately needs to look "big time" and quickly, and, somehow, bringing big money into it will deliver those optics.. Hopefully someone can make it happen... So it’s about getting big money into the sport for everyone with first to last having an equalish share. I agree with that as would anyone but the point I was addressing was when you say the prize for winning needs to be big to generate interest, jeopardy etc when it’s a fact that the two most successful spheres of the sport don’t follow that formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 9 minutes ago, mikebv said: The big money comes in through the sponsorship and TV coverage.with "the prize" being huge contracts... Huge budgets means riders earning circa €800k for riding for your local speedway team will inevitably bring local, and national, interest, and a decent following... The whole thing then looks "big time", which can only be a good thing when being viewed by the general public... The GP's still pay out decent money with anyone regularly in and around the top six earning £80k to £100k over a season of 10 GP's.. And winning the World Final was never a massive cash prize but the World Champion made big money over the coming 12 months.. I seem to remember it was said in the late 70's it was worth up to £250k in sponsorship, points money, and lucrative appearance fees.. Zmarzlik currently nationally advertisers Aztorin Watches which will be a very nice earner for him I would suggest, especially given the price point they sell at.. Again, bringing "eyeballs" to the sport through his appearance in the adverts.. UK Speedway desperately needs to look "big time" and quickly, and, somehow, bringing big money into it will deliver those optics.. Hopefully someone can make it happen... So it’s about getting big money into the sport for everyone with first to last having an equalish share. I agree with that as would anyone but the point I was addressing was when you say the prize for winning needs to be big to generate interest, jeopardy etc when it’s a fact that the two most successful spheres of the sport don’t follow that formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 5 minutes ago, paulnolan said: Avoiding weekends without longstanding historical precedence is stupid. There's a reason most things happen at weekends and that's because people are too tired during the week or don't want a late night before work. So Friday and Saturday nights, and Saturday and Sunday afternoons are premium times for any entertainment. That just creates more competition though. People can’t be bothered to attend speedway when they have nothing else to do that evening. Offer alternative entertainment options and imo speedway would be well down the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, ouch said: So if you finish last your income is £8,000,000 & if you win your income is £8,100,000. I’m missing the big prize money element here for what is only a 1.25% uplift. The prize money for WINNING a GP round equates to a decent night in the Extraliga. If you’re further down the pack it’s like a good night in the UK. Again, I’m missing the big prize money element. The Polish clubs get significant support from their local authorities some of whom actually own the stadium. TV income works hand in hand with major advertisers and the clubs sponsors which enables the teams to fund the promotion at a profit (but sometimes not all of the time) the big factor re income and success is gate receipts. If teams do well and or the table toppers are in town then gates remain good. Not so if the club is having a poor season v another struggling team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 3 hours ago, ouch said: Well that then begs the question why Hackney, Newport, Wolves, Coventry, Swindon & Cradley greyhound tracks allowed speedway to run on Friday & Saturday nights. Coventry introduced Greyhounds (1990's I think), rather than it being a Greyhound stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulnolan Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, ouch said: That just creates more competition though. People can’t be bothered to attend speedway when they have nothing else to do that evening. Offer alternative entertainment options and imo speedway would be well down the list. Plymouth have disproved that. It may be an anomaly but more than likely not. Run weekends and allow people to plan - arrange fixtures well in advance and stick to them - and you should reap rewards. As long as you put the work in alongside, too, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, 1 valve said: The Polish clubs get significant support from their local authorities some of whom actually own the stadium. TV income works hand in hand with major advertisers and the clubs sponsors which enables the teams to fund the promotion at a profit (but sometimes not all of the time) the big factor re income and success is gate receipts. If teams do well and or the table toppers are in town then gates remain good. Not so if the club is having a poor season v another struggling team. I don’t deny that and it’s the case with our league as well. The point is that an extra 1.25% in income for winning doesn’t represent the big prize needed to give relevance and jeopardy as has been stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 48 minutes ago, paulnolan said: Plymouth have disproved that. It may be an anomaly but more than likely not. Run weekends and allow people to plan - arrange fixtures well in advance and stick to them - and you should reap rewards. As long as you put the work in alongside, too, obviously. We have struggled with weekends and only had around 200 at our last Sunday event. Whilst Mondays are infinitely better they are only around 1400-1800 and we look on with envy at Plymouths numbers. I’ll happily have egg on my face come this Saturday at the NSS as I can see British Speedway providing 4000-5000 fans to fill the place out for a weekend fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 46 minutes ago, paulnolan said: Plymouth have disproved that. It may be an anomaly but more than likely not. Run weekends and allow people to plan - arrange fixtures well in advance and stick to them - and you should reap rewards. As long as you put the work in alongside, too, obviously. Spot on.... Strange the GP's in Manchester ran on Friday and Saturday... Monday and Tuesday surely would have been better?.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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