mikebv Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 minute ago, bellevueace said: Similar to Poole in the Championship since they dropped down. A "perfect storm" this season... The Aces kept two out of the world's top three, and the loyalty shown to Blodorn, Cook and Zischke is paying its dividends, and having one of the best RS's is an obvious plus... Sheffield lost Holder and didnt replace him, Leicester chose not to go with Fricke and didnt replace him like for like, and Ipswich lost Sayfutidinov and Doyle, and also couldn't replace them LFL... Northampton cobbled together a team due to the short notice and, of a level that the obvious understandable uncertainty around crowd numbers reflected,, and KL didn't maximise having Fricke... Signing Kurtz and Bewley also meant the opportunity to bring in very good riders to replace them when missing... Keeping that team together next season sadly won't happen, but, like any and every year, it really should, as dumbing down each season doesn't push the standard forwards.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 8 minutes ago, mikebv said: A "perfect storm" this season... The Aces kept two out of the world's top three, and the loyalty shown to Blodorn, Cook and Zischke is paying its dividends, and having one of the best RS's is an obvious plus... Sheffield lost Holder and didnt replace him, Leicester chose not to go with Fricke and didnt replace him like for like, and Ipswich lost Sayfutidinov and Doyle, and also couldn't replace them LFL... Northampton cobbled together a team due to the short notice and, of a level that the obvious understandable uncertainty around crowd numbers reflected,, and KL didn't maximise having Fricke... Signing Kurtz and Bewley also meant the opportunity to bring in very good riders to replace them when missing... Keeping that team together next season sadly won't happen, but, like any and every year, it really should, as dumbing down each season doesn't push the standard forwards.. Totally agree Mike, you can see how much the standard has fallen when you look at the quality of the British Final, Lambert apart from the Wednesday nights and Sunday afternoons at Brandon. And as the standard has fallen the prices have gone up, as more fans walk away it will keep increasing to make up the downfall till even the die hard fans walk away, as have many this season when you look at attendences around the tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 13 hours ago, foreverblue said: Another boring Belle Vue win. The irony 😂 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 50 minutes ago, mikebv said: Food and Drink purchases will be considered important... Even if only renting as it will keep the landlord happier... A nice hot evening could mean a few visits for some cold drinks... yes i paid 23 to get in then 28 on 4 pints.😁 it was ok, nice setting in the country side, but not a lot of good viewing areas, unless you pay extra 4 for a seat. crowd looked ok too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago Belle Vue are far too strong, it really shouldn’t have been allowed. BUT, I’m happy for their supporters as they endured many seasons of crap at the old stadium, they really deserve to have some time in the sun, they’ve earned it. However, changes to rules are desperately needed for 2027 to make the league a more even playing field and thus a better spectacle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 2 hours ago, mikebv said: A "perfect storm" this season... The Aces kept two out of the world's top three, and the loyalty shown to Blodorn, Cook and Zischke is paying its dividends, and having one of the best RS's is an obvious plus... Sheffield lost Holder and didnt replace him, Leicester chose not to go with Fricke and didnt replace him like for like, and Ipswich lost Sayfutidinov and Doyle, and also couldn't replace them LFL... Northampton cobbled together a team due to the short notice and, of a level that the obvious understandable uncertainty around crowd numbers reflected,, and KL didn't maximise having Fricke... Signing Kurtz and Bewley also meant the opportunity to bring in very good riders to replace them when missing... Keeping that team together next season sadly won't happen, but, like any and every year, it really should, as dumbing down each season doesn't push the standard forwards.. Spot on having two top five world class riders put them a country mile ahead from the get go plus as you say the majority of the other teams weaker/much weaker than in 2025. You would hope people would be happy to see the likes of Kurtz and Bewley more so as it looks like Dan won't be doing UK in 2027. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 55 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said: Belle Vue are far too strong, it really shouldn’t have been allowed. BUT, I’m happy for their supporters as they endured many seasons of crap at the old stadium, they really deserve to have some time in the sun, they’ve earned it. However, changes to rules are desperately needed for 2027 to make the league a more even playing field and thus a better spectacle. You always came across as a pro-active promoter Mick if you were put in charge of the top flight in 2027 what would be the changes you would try and push through ? whilst equally being realistic of budgets and team constraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Mick Bratley said: Belle Vue are far too strong, it really shouldn’t have been allowed. BUT, I’m happy for their supporters as they endured many seasons of crap at the old stadium, they really deserve to have some time in the sun, they’ve earned it. However, changes to rules are desperately needed for 2027 to make the league a more even playing field and thus a better spectacle. It should be allowed that a team can sign Brady 7.50 Max 4.50 Jaimon 4.00 Norick 4.00 Tate 4.50 Dan 3.00 Tom last pick RS (if you don’t get that opportunity then just promote a rider from your Colts, sorry junior team). then work with them to see them grow and improve with the club. Fans then identify more strongly with their team and are less likely to drift off. If more teams did this the whole sport in the UK would be in a much stronger place. They don’t because they don’t need to as other club(s) have to continually off load their stars. We have a level playing field, it’s called the (ever reducing) points limit. It’s been said it’s crazy that The Aces have two GP riders at the top but they didn’t last night and it was the team as a whole that did the business. We often got berated for keeping Norick, Tate, etc but as soon as they come good the complaint is you are too strong. Have a look back at the prediction thread on here and you will find very few had The Aces as winners but now we are producing the goods we are suddenly too strong - with hindsight. It’s a sign of the times that people will continually bleat about their predicament whilst doing nothing to improve their lot and just sit around waiting for handouts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Mick Bratley said: Belle Vue are far too strong, it really shouldn’t have been allowed. BUT, I’m happy for their supporters as they endured many seasons of crap at the old stadium, they really deserve to have some time in the sun, they’ve earned it. However, changes to rules are desperately needed for 2027 to make the league a more even playing field and thus a better spectacle. I wouldn't say Belle Vue are too strong at all. But we are suffering from the winter problems caused by the Ipswich/Chris Louis situation and the Northampton late start. Arguably Sheffield were stronger than Belle Vue, and were the favourites for the title pre-season. The difference is that Belle Vue moved quickly to replace the injured Dan Bewley while Sheffield didn't replace Jack Holder and have been running much weaker since his injury. Leicester could still finish top of the league above Belle Vue if they replicate their "A" fixture wins at Ipswich and King's Lynn. King's Lynn are a solid side, with a GP no.1, who pushed Belle Vue all the way at the NSS last week, but don't seem to be getting on with their home track (King's Lynn used to be one of the absolute best, what has gone wrong with preparation these days?) Ipswich were done dirty by Louis, but with the new owners, they won't be this weak next year. Northampton of course were badly hindered by the late start and having to start from scratch. But they have a good set-up, decent crowds, and have had EIGHT matches which they have drawn or lost by less than 6 points. It wouldn't take much to turn them around into wins and they'd be quite successful. So certainly nothing is as black as is being painted here. Let's get a good ITV deal, get back Coventry, Swindon, etc, and build everyone up to the Belle Vue/Sheffield level. Let's not be negative and start weakening. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago People having a pop at Belle Vue's team building...well guess what your club/team manager could of done exactly the same! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulnolan Posted 6 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, Mick Bratley said: Belle Vue are far too strong, it really shouldn’t have been allowed. BUT, I’m happy for their supporters as they endured many seasons of crap at the old stadium, they really deserve to have some time in the sun, they’ve earned it. However, changes to rules are desperately needed for 2027 to make the league a more even playing field and thus a better spectacle. Haven't we all built to the same team average???? Maybe we're just a. Better run club than others with good facilities for the riders, good atmosphere, hot showers, paid on time, track prepared well week in week out. All them little things make the perfect storm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago Initially, no Doyle, no Sayfutdinov, no Holder for a large part of the season, no Bewley also for a large part of the season, and Fricke leaving a track he was well dialled in at, and taking up a new circuit.. Several absolute top level riders that are not this season taking points of other HL's and second strings like they did last season... The Aces have this season, with less top level talent in the league, seen Zischze, Blodorn and Cook, riders they have invested in, win many more heats than last season, and when allied to unrivalled strength in Ht 13 and Ht15, it has meant the Aces scoring big in several meetings.. The bottom line is though, all teams started closely together according to the team averages, but, as every season shows, very quickly the teams from top to bottom become a long way apart... This season is no different... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Haven't we all built to the same team average???? Maybe we're just a. Better run club than others with good facilities for the riders, good atmosphere, hot showers, paid on time, track prepared well week in week out. All them little things make the perfect storm Maybe other teams couldn't afford the team Belle Vue have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PC63 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Now that Northampton have proved themselves with very good attendances, not so much with the results on the track though, hopefully, the promoters will invest in a much better team for next season. Last nights attendance was the biggest since the opening night I reckon. It was an embarrassing result but overall this season has, so far, been a success for interest and crowds with an impressive local hardcore of support being established. To a point, I think that people are making allowances for the fact that it’s the first season with a late start but next season I don’t think that they may be so forgiving. I am still enjoying having a team to support and the whole race night experience after a good few years away from watching live Speedway, plus, the fact that it has all been a big one in the eye for the cynics who were saying and I think, weirdly, hoping that two men and their dog would be the only ones attending! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Haven't we all built to the same team average???? Maybe we're just a. Better run club than others with good facilities for the riders, good atmosphere, hot showers, paid on time, track prepared well week in week out. All them little things make the perfect storm Who wants a hot shower in this weather? Oh wait.. does 30c reach that far north Can't wait to see BV ride against themselves every week in a few years time lol. Maybe then they will care about other teams who were in the same league 👀 48 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Maybe other teams couldn't afford the team Belle Vue have. Glasgow could. Oooh lets send them up for a bit of competition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago I also didn't see many say we're going to win start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 34 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: I also didn't see many say we're going to win start of the season. No but I doubt many thought Norick had it in him to score like he has been and Tate is going very well now. Zach has also been very good recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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