2027?

[Arthur73]

51 minutes ago, TTT said:

Refusal to put British Speedway first for start.

Roles will be reversed from last winter, PREM Clubs will be the one's holding all the cards now to a point where CHAMP Clubs are the ones with a lot to lose.

CHAMP is finished now, Heat Leaders will be offski with the Polish ruling and to make matters even worse for them, Kildemand and Nicholls are retiring as well.

We should be supporting all clubs at this time not wishing that the championship is "finished".

Poole and Glasgow didn't move up quite rightly because the 2 clubs who has done it the year before it had gone very badly for.

When we get a Premiership that is attractive enough that teams want to move up they will. This could happen in 2027 but most likely if clubs see 2027 as a success they will move up in 2028. 

Poole and Glasgow are great clubs but they need to survive themselves. If both had been forced to go up last year and then gone bust we would be in a much worse position now.

[arnieg]

54 minutes ago, TTT said:

Refusal to put British Speedway first for start.

Roles will be reversed from last winter, PREM Clubs will be the one's holding all the cards now to a point where CHAMP Clubs are the ones with a lot to lose.

CHAMP is finished now, Heat Leaders will be offski with the Polish ruling and to make matters even worse for them, Kildemand and Nicholls are retiring as well.

I don't understand what you are basing these wild claims on.

Pickering will be off come what may (he only signed for Scunny because he priced himself out of a place in Poland)

Zack Cook will drop the Championship as part of his natural progression like dozens of other riders have done before ( e.g. Ben Cook, Tom Brennan)

Dan Thompson has a real decision to make: does he want to watch speedway in Lodz or ride speedway in Edinburgh? If the latter as Lisa suggests then we haven't lost him.

Masters/Lawson/Flint/Jeppesen/Wright etc ride in tier 3 so are not affected

I hardly think King, Batchelor and Harris et al are going to resume their Polish careers

Nor do I see the likes of Etheridge, Edwards or Sedgmen attracting Ekstraliga interest.

So the sum total of riders at risk appears to be:

Anders Rowe (and possibly Dan Thompson). 

Isn't the bigger risk that riders may drop the Premiership to protect Swedish or Danish contracts?

[Daniel Smith]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

Refusal to put British Speedway first for start.

Roles will be reversed from last winter, PREM Clubs will be the one's holding all the cards now to a point where CHAMP Clubs are the ones with a lot to lose.

CHAMP is finished now, Heat Leaders will be offski with the Polish ruling and to make matters even worse for them, Kildemand and Nicholls are retiring as well.

Sure you're not still just angry about the Louis / Ipswich saga and somehow put it as a whole British Speedway thing??

 

[Bald Bloke]

2 hours ago, Biffa said:

Only rumour I heard was Mildenhall to Prem with Mr Brady in charge. 🤷‍♂️. Pure rumour & 2+2 probably making 5

Sounds like  it would be an expensive gamble imho. But as you say just a rumour.

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[Gasser90]

54 minutes ago, Biffa said:

Only rumour I heard was Mildenhall to Prem with Mr Brady in charge. 🤷‍♂️. Pure rumour & 2+2 probably making 5

Would need massive investment to do that surely ? They can’t even get a licence to run NDL because of how dangerous the fence is 

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

Refusal to put British Speedway first for start.

Roles will be reversed from last winter, PREM Clubs will be the one's holding all the cards now to a point where CHAMP Clubs are the ones with a lot to lose.

CHAMP is finished now, Heat Leaders will be offski with the Polish ruling and to make matters even worse for them, Kildemand and Nicholls are retiring as well.

I do get your sentiments, as the tail has wagged the dog for far, far too long .

However, it won't be as simplistic as that, as several riders will need to decide if that big up front payment in Poland is worth it as there may be not too any earning opportunities..

Dan T, and Tom B both took the big signing on fee and then didn't get much opportunity to earn on track...

These level of riders will need to decide if they want to "stick or twist", as they do struggle when in Poland, and Poland don't give you a "job for life" like the UK does to riders better than average, instead, you get replaced ..

Undoubtedly though there is a huge opportunity for the sport in the UK given Poland's rules, should those who run it a) see the potential, and b actually have the capability to deliver it .

Personally, given their track record, I have to say I have my doubts.  

But. Hope springs eternal...

 

[TTT]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

I don't understand what you are basing these wild claims on.

Pickering will be off come what may (he only signed for Scunny because he priced himself out of a place in Poland)

Zack Cook will drop the Championship as part of his natural progression like dozens of other riders have done before ( e.g. Ben Cook, Tom Brennan)

Dan Thompson has a real decision to make: does he want to watch speedway in Lodz or ride speedway in Edinburgh? If the latter as Lisa suggests then we haven't lost him.

Masters/Lawson/Flint/Jeppesen/Wright etc ride in tier 3 so are not affected

I hardly think King, Batchelor and Harris et al are going to resume their Polish careers

Nor do I see the likes of Etheridge, Edwards or Sedgmen attracting Ekstraliga interest.

So the sum total of riders at risk appears to be:

Anders Rowe (and possibly Dan Thompson). 

Isn't the bigger risk that riders may drop the Premiership to protect Swedish or Danish contracts?

Even riders like McDiarmid and Cairns are currently riding in the Ekstraliga.

Going to be a drastically weaker product next season.

[TTT]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

Sure you're not still just angry about the Louis / Ipswich saga and somehow put it as a whole British Speedway thing??

 

No that's in the past, I'm just saying that the script has been flipped now due to the Polish ruling and it's quite ironic considering what happend last winter.

[TTT]

17 minutes ago, mikebv said:

I do get your sentiments, as the tail has wagged the dog for far, far too long .

However, it won't be as simplistic as that, as several riders will need to decide if that big up front payment in Poland is worth it as there may be not too any earning opportunities..

Dan T, and Tom B both took the big signing on fee and then didn't get much opportunity to earn on track...

These level of riders will need to decide if they want to "stick or twist", as they do struggle when in Poland, and Poland don't give you a "job for life" like the UK does to riders better than average, instead, you get replaced ..

Undoubtedly though there is a huge opportunity for the sport in the UK given Poland's rules, should those who run it a) see the potential, and b actually have the capability to deliver it .

Personally, given their track record, I have to say I have my doubts.  

But. Hope springs eternal...

 

Brennan really shouldn't have signed for Bydgoszcz with the team they had tbh.

When it comes to young Brits in Poland, They should sign for the teams with the weakest line-ups as it'll increase the chances of starts.

[Daniel Smith]

6 minutes ago, TTT said:

No that's in the past, I'm just saying that the script has been flipped now due to the Polish ruling and it's quite ironic considering what happend last winter.

Depends what rider's want. Even if they sign in Poland, they may still prefer the Championship over the Premiership due to the number of fixtures and weekend fixtures if they're not picked by their Polish club.

The Premiership won't get it all their own way for sure.

[mikebv]

24 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Depends what rider's want. Even if they sign in Poland, they may still prefer the Championship over the Premiership due to the number of fixtures and weekend fixtures if they're not picked by their Polish club.

The Premiership won't get it all their own way for sure.

When Dan T discussed points money on his Vlog, there wasn't too much difference from being a No1 in the Championship to being a RS in the top league...

The figures he quoted means as a second string in tier one, he must be on a fair few quid more than in the Championship...

However, naturally, points will be easier to come by in the Championship...

If a TV deal gets signed, I can see "engine room"  riders being given decent "guarantees" to ride in the top tier, if they get a place in Poland ..

 

[noaksey]

Where is the money coming from then for this expanded league with better riders?

[Daniel Smith]

33 minutes ago, noaksey said:

Where is the money coming from then for this expanded league with better riders?

The fans, expect an extra £2-£3 on the entrance 

[Daniel Smith]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

When Dan T discussed points money on his Vlog, there wasn't too much difference from being a No1 in the Championship to being a RS in the top league...

The figures he quoted means as a second string in tier one, he must be on a fair few quid more than in the Championship...

However, naturally, points will be easier to come by in the Championship...

If a TV deal gets signed, I can see "engine room"  riders being given decent "guarantees" to ride in the top tier, if they get a place in Poland ..

 

That's just Dan T. Absolutely no chance Lawson, Pickering, Masters etc are riding on Rising Star money in the Championship. 

[Fortythirtyeight]

2 hours ago, mikebv said:

When Dan T discussed points money on his Vlog, there wasn't too much difference from being a No1 in the Championship to being a RS in the top league...

The figures he quoted means as a second string in tier one, he must be on a fair few quid more than in the Championship...

However, naturally, points will be easier to come by in the Championship...

If a TV deal gets signed, I can see "engine room"  riders being given decent "guarantees" to ride in the top tier, if they get a place in Poland ..

 

Your assuming the ‘better’ riders in the Championship actually ride for points money these days as I’m led to believe , despite the chairman’s claims that guarantee’s are banned, that more ‘top’ riders are on them now than last year.

From the riders I assist they tell me most heat leaders in the championship are on some form of guarantee, wether that be fully or partially and our imports have to be due to the stipulation on their visas.

Don't most of our championship riders ride in the Polish 2nd tier? So does the rule affect them ?

Ill believe a TV deal when I see it .

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Depends what rider's want. Even if they sign in Poland, they may still prefer the Championship over the Premiership due to the number of fixtures and weekend fixtures if they're not picked by their Polish club.

The Premiership won't get it all their own way for sure.

Even when they are not picked they are expected to attend the meeting in Poland

Dan has missed Championship meetings to be in Poland and not get a ride...

[Daniel Smith]

43 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Your assuming the ‘better’ riders in the Championship actually ride for points money these days as I’m led to believe , despite the chairman’s claims that guarantee’s are banned, that more ‘top’ riders are on them now than last year.

From the riders I assist they tell me most heat leaders in the championship are on some form of guarantee, wether that be fully or partially and our imports have to be due to the stipulation on their visas.

Don't most of our championship riders ride in the Polish 2nd tier? So does the rule affect them ?

Ill believe a TV deal when I see it .

That's kind of my point. It's possible some rider's can earn more riding in the Championship over the Premiership. If they still get a gig in Poland it's not guaranteed rider's will pick the Premiership as TTT seems to think.

[TTT]

8 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

That's kind of my point. It's possible some rider's can earn more riding in the Championship over the Premiership. If they still get a gig in Poland it's not guaranteed rider's will pick the Premiership as TTT seems to think.

Too many Clubs have race day's / night's on FRI/SAT in the CHAMP which makes the decision an easy one tbh.

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