CHAMPIONSHIP PLAY OFF FINAL - SCUNTHORPE v POOLE v SCUNTHORPE (2 & 7 October)

[crescent girl]

This was posted on SCB/ACU speedway website this morning (true story, I'm not making it up):

The SCB will be holding interview's for potential new Trainee Referee's in December at the offices of the ACU House in Rugby. Any person's interested in the position of a Trainee Referee are asked to send their CV to - neil@scbgb.co.uk

Edited 23 hours ago by crescent girl

[Fromafar]

36 minutes ago, crescent girl said:

This was posted on SCB/ACU speedway website this morning (true story, I'm not making it up):

The SCB will be holding interview's for potential new Trainee Referee's in December at the offices of the ACU House in Rugby. Any person's interested in the position of a Trainee Referee are asked to send their CV to - neil@scbgb.co.uk

Should have no trouble recruiting candidates judging by this Forum😂😂😂

[foreverblue]

2 hours ago, therefused said:

Of course it matters, refereeing has been shocking in this country for years now and it’s getting worse, an investigation needs to happen into the standard of refereeing. This is just the tip of the iceberg and has robbed the rightful winners of a league title 

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Well that will not happen. The photo on Scunthorpe's own website does not show it was conclusively the wrong decision. The referee has to make a snap decision based on the evidence in front of him, in his view he made the correct decision. He is not going to a spend a lot  of time scrutinising his decision and I do not know any referee who has changed a decision once made and it does not matter how many times the manager gets on the phone.

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[Leicester Lion]

2 hours ago, crescent girl said:

This was posted on SCB/ACU speedway website this morning (true story, I'm not making it up):

The SCB will be holding interview's for potential new Trainee Referee's in December at the offices of the ACU House in Rugby. Any person's interested in the position of a Trainee Referee are asked to send their CV to - neil@scbgb.co.uk

They can't even get the correct use of the apostrophe.

[LisaColette]

20 hours ago, False dawn said:

From the Edinburgh website:

"Yet another change has been forced upon the Monarchs for our final Scottish Cup meeting on Friday as Michael Palm Toft, after riding well in Scunthorpe's brave Playoff Final performance, suffered an injury following the Superheat"

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Elsewhere on the same website:
"....replacing the previously announced Michael Palm Toft, who was involved in a post-race incident after Scunthorpe's contentious Super Heat loss in the Championship play-off final at Poole last night"

Anyone know what happened to MPT?

He came round for lap of honour like Josh did and after they eventually got their medals saw him walking back to changing rooms. I remember, as Poole fans appauded him when he was on his way there. Looked fine to me. 

[Paul Johnson]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Well that will not happen. The photo on Scunthorpe's own website does not show it was conclusively the wrong decision. The referee has to make a snap decision based on the evidence in front of him, in his view he made the correct decision. He is not going to a spend a lot  of time scrutinising his decision and I do not know any referee who has changed a decision once made and it does not matter how many times the manager gets on the phone.

Well the ref changed his mind when Bowes won his race and overturned the result because of tyre warming,that was proved after the heat...my gripe is last week when Cairns admitted tyre warming and the ref refusing to use replays, its the grand final ffs, 

[LisaColette]

Just now, Paul Johnson said:

Well the ref changed his mind when Bowes won his race and overturned the result because of tyre warming,that was proved after the heat...my gripe is last week when Cairns admitted tyre warming and the ref refusing to use replays, its the grand final ffs, 

 

Just now, Paul Johnson said:

Well the ref changed his mind when Bowes won his race and overturned the result because of tyre warming,that was proved after the heat...my gripe is last week when Cairns admitted tyre warming and the ref refusing to use replays, its the grand final ffs, 

And then the ref looked at it later on and apologised to Howe for making a mistake. I don't understand why they don't use replays, only takes a min. 

[Paul Johnson]

His mistake was not watching them line up, he should of used Bsn to see the plume of smoke coming from his tyre, as i said its the Grand final he should use all available outlets to him, not refusing to view the evidence

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, Paul Johnson said:

His mistake was not watching them line up, he should of used Bsn to see the plume of smoke coming from his tyre, as i said its the Grand final he should use all available outlets to him, not refusing to view the evidence

 

1 hour ago, Paul Johnson said:

His mistake was not watching them line up, he should of used Bsn to see the plume of smoke coming from his tyre, as i said its the Grand final he should use all available outlets to him, not refusing to view the evidence

Yes agree with you there.

[Sir Sidney]

2 hours ago, Paul Johnson said:

His mistake was not watching them line up, he should of used Bsn to see the plume of smoke coming from his tyre, as i said its the Grand final he should use all available outlets to him, not refusing to view the evidence

According to the regulations

 

'where provided the Referee must use multi angle re-play
technology supplied by Eurosport, BSN and the tracks own 
streaming service via a monitor'

[dhr]

I’m going to be as plain as I can be and try to be as unbiased as possible 

rule 012.1.11

a ride whose machine crosses the inner edge of the track with 2 wheels must be disqualified.

05.1.4 infield 

a) a continuous line to define the inner edge of the track circuit.

now nowhere in the rule book does it say about crossing the white line with 100% of the wheel, ok that’s fact

also the white line is the infield (as confirmed by the SCB )so if at any point the rear tyre touches it then that is a disqualification.

the inner edge of the track is where the track meets the white line, so anyone who has stated he was on the line has backed my argument.

 

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[Sir Sidney]

8 hours ago, dhr said:

I’m going to be as plain as I can be and try to be as unbiased as possible 

rule 012.1.11

a ride whose machine crosses the inner edge of the track with 2 wheels must be disqualified.

05.1.4 infield 

a) a continuous line to define the inner edge of the track circuit.

now nowhere in the rule book does it say about crossing the white line with 100% of the wheel, ok that’s fact

also the white line is the infield (as confirmed by the SCB )so if at any point the rear tyre touches it then that is a disqualification.

the inner edge of the track is where the track meets the white line, so anyone who has stated he was on the line has backed my argument.

 

That's just your interpretation. 

You are saying that touching the white line ( inner edge) equates to crossing the inner edge. 

I think you could equally interpret that regulation as crossing requiring the machine to be completely beyond the inner edge. 

And, on either situation, the regulations do not make clear which part of the wheel ( or tyre) has to cross the inner edge. 

Commonly we interpret that as the part of the tyre in touch with the ground, but the regulation doesn't actually say that. 

Another regulation that any competent lawyer would drive a coach and horses through. 

[Trackrat]

My general question is: Why is it always Poole at the centre of any cheating? Surely enough is enough now or are the rule makers being swayed by something??

[Grachan]

9 hours ago, dhr said:

I’m going to be as plain as I can be and try to be as unbiased as possible 

rule 012.1.11

a ride whose machine crosses the inner edge of the track with 2 wheels must be disqualified.

05.1.4 infield 

a) a continuous line to define the inner edge of the track circuit.

now nowhere in the rule book does it say about crossing the white line with 100% of the wheel, ok that’s fact

also the white line is the infield (as confirmed by the SCB )so if at any point the rear tyre touches it then that is a disqualification.

the inner edge of the track is where the track meets the white line, so anyone who has stated he was on the line has backed my argument.

 

You have literally just explained why the rider should not have been excluded.

If you cross a line, you are going over it, not touching it. The only logical explanation from that quoted rule is that the bike/tyre has to be completely over the line. that's what "crossing the line" means.

Take football as an example. If the entire ball is not over the line then the ball is still in play. Same principal.

Same with tennis. If the entire ball isn't over the line, it's still in.

Congratulations to Poole Pirates on their legitimate title win.

This has even less legs than Don King's "long count" invention when Mike Tyson got hammered by Buster Douglas.

Anyone else got any other sporting examples to add to the "bad loser" file?

Edited 7 hours ago by Grachan

[lucifer sam]

19 minutes ago, Grachan said:

You have literally just explained why the rider should not have been excluded.

If you cross a line, you are going over it, not touching it. The only logical explanation from that quoted rule is that the bike/tyre has to be completely over the line. that's what "crossing the line" means.

Take football as an example. If the entire ball is not over the line then the ball is still in play. Same principal.

Same with tennis. If the entire ball isn't over the line, it's still in.

Congratulations to Poole Pirates on their legitimate title win.

This has even less legs than Don King's "long count" invention when Mike Tyson got hammered by Buster Douglas.

Anyone else got any other sporting examples to add to the "bad loser" file?

The moment you mentioned football and tennis, you showed you don't understand. Different sports have different rules.  The speedway rule does not mention completely crossing.

Although in this case, Cook did completely cross it. Watch it in slow motion. And then try to explain why that dirt and muck is thrown up by the back wheel when it hits something that isn't shale if wasn't over the white line. But, in any case, that's irrelevant since the wheel doesn't have to completely cross, if you actually bother to read the rule.

Of course, its position in the tie means the Super Heat is going to grab most of the attention. Although the tyre warming in Heat 8 at Scunthorpe is more blatant. I don't think anyone could argue that one at all. That's the one which was blatant cheating. 

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[dhr]

13 minutes ago, Grachan said:

You have literally just explained why the rider should not have been excluded.

If you cross a line, you are going over it, not touching it. The only logical explanation from that quoted rule is that the bike/tyre has to be completely over the line. that's what "crossing the line" means.

Take football as an example. If the entire ball is not over the line then the ball is still in play. Same principal.

Same with tennis. If the entire ball isn't over the line, it's still in.

Congratulations to Poole Pirates on their legitimate title win.

This has even less legs than Don King's "long count" invention when Mike Tyson got hammered by Buster Douglas.

Anyone else got any other sporting examples to add to the "bad loser" file?

 

13 minutes ago, Grachan said:

You have literally just explained why the rider should not have been excluded.

If you cross a line, you are going over it, not touching it. The only logical explanation from that quoted rule is that the bike/tyre has to be completely over the line. that's what "crossing the line" means.

Take football as an example. If the entire ball is not over the line then the ball is still in play. Same principal.

Same with tennis. If the entire ball isn't over the line, it's still in.

Congratulations to Poole Pirates on their legitimate title win.

This has even less legs than Don King's "long count" invention when Mike Tyson got hammered by Buster Douglas.

Anyone else got any other sporting examples to add to the "bad loser" file?

The inner edge of the track is where the white line starts, ok? No mention in the rule book about crossing the white line. If you cross the inner edge the rider should be disqualified.

so if a rider touches the white line with both wheels he has crossed the inner edge, I do feel that I have explained it.

[Grachan]

1 minute ago, lucifer sam said:

The moment you mentioned football and tennis, you showed you don't understand. Different sports have different rules.  The speedway rule does not mention completely crossing.

Although in this case, Cook did completely cross it. Watch it in slow motion. And then try to explain why that dirt and muck is thrown up by the back wheel when it hits something that isn't shale if wasn't over the white line.

Of course, the position in the tie means the Super Heat is going to grab most of the attention. Although the tyre warming in Heat 8 at Scunthorpe is more blatant. I don't think anyone could argue that one at all. 

Incorrect. It shows that I do understand. To cross a white line, you have to be completely over it. That's literally what it means. If you haven't gone completely over it, you are touching it. You haven't crossed it.

Not sure what else I can say about it really.

No idea on the tyre warming thing and what that was about though. 

[Grachan]

5 minutes ago, dhr said:

 

No mention in the rule book about crossing the white line. If you cross the inner edge the rider should be disqualified.

 

It was you that quoted the rule that said it did.

From your own post earlier:

"rule 012.1.11

a ride whose machine crosses the inner edge of the track with 2 wheels must be disqualified.

05.1.4 infield 

a) a continuous line to define the inner edge of the track circuit."

[lucifer sam]

3 minutes ago, Grachan said:

Incorrect. It shows that I do understand. To cross a white line, you have to be completely over it. That's literally what it means. If you haven't gone completely over it, you are touching it. You haven't crossed it.

Not sure what else I can say about it really.

No idea on the tyre warming thing and what that was about though. 

The word "completely" does not appear in the rule - you're adding it.  

As for your lack of wanting to comment on the blatant tyre warming before Heat 8 at Scunthorpe, it's very telling. 

[dhr]

2 minutes ago, Grachan said:

It was you that quoted the rule that said it did.

From your own post earlier:

"rule 012.1.11

a ride whose machine crosses the inner edge of the track with 2 wheels must be disqualified.

05.1.4 infield 

a) a continuous line to define the inner edge of the track circuit."

 

2 minutes ago, Grachan said:

It was you that quoted the rule that said it did.

From your own post earlier:

"rule 012.1.11

a ride whose machine crosses the inner edge of the track with 2 wheels must be disqualified.

05.1.4 infield 

a) a continuous line to define the inner edge of the track circuit."

I also said the the white line is the infield and this has been confirmed, so once again where the track meets the white line is the inner edge of the track and once again the inner edge of the track cannot be crossed, you could make the white line 10 m deep if you want, the inner edge is where the brown stuff meets the white stuff