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Now read that out aloud in one breath.

…….or conversely, the Premiership contains too many Championship riders…..which is why IT got watered down making the two leagues too close. Doubling up made it the farce that it is.

Is Friday night a protected CL night for Lincolnshire teams only?

We couldn't fit Ben and Bomber in and I think Ben will be aiming higher than the Championship, Connor is a no-brainer for a return. But in a watered-down league, it will be difficult to get two big hitters in looks like one big hitter Four second strings, and Two reserves. Teams should be built to 42,14 heats x 3 it's not rocket science well it is for some. Agree about admission watered-down product on track should mean watered-down admission.

Contains the grand total of 0 Leicester riders . I mean I'm not having a go at you but it's a nonsense really isn't it? Extra meeting and a Disney medal no doubt but it's ridiculous to call it "the final"

Exactly, then where are the many unlucky kids who don't get a rising star place gonna learn to get better if no more NDL !!! Once again lack of forward thinking by the bspa

Not OP but I've heard 38

Jubilee Poole v Leicester confirmed for Wednesday 25th October as a one-off meeting at Wimborne Road. Leicester 1-7 based on a 40 point average as at start of 2023!

I think Egon made so much money on the Continent with little of the hassle that came with British speedway, it wasn't worth it for him . And then he had the side show of his singing career and concerts. Which he usually put on as part of the long track weekend as well . Where it was and to some extent still is a weekend event with people camping out at the track

He made it clear he had no intentions of leaving Scunthorpe for another Championship club, its purely a decision to try and further his career by taking on extra challenges in Poland and Sweden etc.. Thanks Ryan for everything you have done for Scunthorpe Speedway over the past 10 years. All the best for the future and hope to see you back at Scunthorpe in the future as you will always be welcome back.

6 man teams with greater riders for me = better product

For me the core product is very good, it is just the nonsense rules that prevent the actual leagues from ever being taken seriously... How the hell can anyone take seriously Peterborough's Bomber helping Ipswich to beat Belle Vue in the Semi, and then helping Sheffield beat Ipswich in the Final? You simply cannot market that.... Less riders per team would mean more riders to replace injured ones, so guests could be eradicated if the will was there .. A fit for purpose RR facility would also mean no need for guests... Development should be the 2nd Divs priority not Div 1, and clear demarcation within the leagues should always exist so the top league can be marketed as "Elite"... Every sport needs a "flagship" league that sells the sport with the other leagues feeding off it.. National generic marketing has to be the biggest opportunity. Huge amounts are spent on riders, very few of which bring a big crowd in, yet very, very little is spent on marketeers who may be able to put some bums on seats... Being able to take league racing seriously first though is needed before any money is spent hiring any marketing companies...

20 heats and a rostrum run off, the way individual meetings should be run...

Wiggy probably made more money on L/track riding in Europe on grasstrack as well ,think the same can be said for Kelvin Tatum a bad injury early on plus racing L/track effected his S/way career but not his bank balance I suspect .

Not our fault that the rule makers couldn’t run a pi$$ up in a brewery. But it is clear the champions get preferential treatment.

Can we have Dan bewley on his 2018 championship average? Glasgow have form for getting riders on a dodgy average, so maybe the comets could

Zach is flying atm.

Emil started the season at no5 so rode with a rising star in heat 4 at the start of the season. Bewley moved to no 5 at end of season

I wonder if the sponsor of heat 20 in the NDLRC a clue to the comets No 1

Spot on. The intentions behind the lower limit might be good - clearer divide between the 2 leagues, more 'amateur', whatever - but it'll all be undone if they end up paying 2024 second strings a heatleaders wage in 2025.

Definately have Anders back in 24. Got potential and a good style.

Bit of a Rissk to be honest lol but no doubt when fully fit is a class rider

There are to many 2nd string riders who class themselves as Professional Speedway Riders on their CV.

Would take Riss at Berwick.Think illness ruin his season.Class rider at his best.

No surprise here really

I didn't, so here goes... Rune Sormander, Alf Jonsson, and Peter Smith never met the 10-match minimum. 8.78 - Per Olof Soderman 8.46 - Bjorn Knutson 8.31 - Soren Sjosten 7.47 - Dan Forsberg 6.38 - Birger Forsberg

He's been named in the Teesside Silver Helmet line up, so can't have burned the bridges too far.

What a surprise. No doubt back in the uk for the grand final

Definately get the best deal from Tigers( if they want him).

Poznan were last of 8 in Div 1 in 2023 and relegated when i posted that on August 28th. Subsequently Landshut realised they could’t comply with the new requirements the Polish league authorities had placed on Div 1 teams so reluctantly agreed to return to Div 2. This left Div 1 shorthanded( Poznan and Landshut going and only Rzeszow replacing them) so Poznan were offered the place back which because of the need to finance the installing of floodlights they couldn’t give an answer straightaway and have only just confirmed last week they are good to go in Div 1 and i have posted their recent signings in the Div 1 thread.

possible Jake mulford/Luke Harrison reserve pairing?

Would happily take Erik at Edinburgh.

Are you hearing 36 or 38? Both will water-down Champ teams which I guess is overdue in order to stop them fielding so many Prem riders?

KO CUP FINAL 2ND LEG 18TH POSTPONED ITS NOW BEING HELD ON SATURDAY 21ST OCTOBER 730 start Jubilee Final vs Leicester on 25th October at Poole which is now being decided over one leg only.

Not sure that'll be the case in 2024 with the rumoured points limit. There should be plenty of riders around and only a certain number of team/squad places available in Poland!

Of course the BSPL are going to recommend thru go into the Champ, hardly gonna recommend they close down or join Nora are they! Which begs the question, was the recommendation in the best interests of the club or the BSPL?

Just out of interest, I looked up Olle Nygren and Ove Fundin's first year averages using your criterion of 10 matches minimum.. Olle Nygren's was 7.6 from 10 matches (Harringay 1952) Ove Fundin's was 10.34 (Norwich 1956). (The previous year he appeared in 6 matches and scored 73 points.) I think it's fair to say that Ove Fundin began as he meant to continue!

Brilliant news yesterday . The Northside track is fantastic , got to be the widest in the country . Can just see Bomber blasting round the outside of those bends . That track deserves to be at a higher level , roll on 2024

I wouldn't have advised that - if the NL continues. Lots of very promising riders have struggled in their first Champ season... but if the Champ is weakened next season, he may not have than concern. Probably be irrelevant as the NL looks over (sadly).

Poole have a good record at restructuring teams when necessary. I suspect that whatever the points limit they will prove more astute than their rivals at putting together a septet under the new points limit whatever it is.

If the rumours of points limit being 36/38 plus a rising star, think your beloved team will need major surgery to get under the limit

Out on the very same limb as they were in 1970 to 1981 and 1999 to 2018......during both of those periods I recall very much of seeing a great many away followers at Derwent Park....then enjoying a pint with many post meeting. Workington is not on Mars ok.???

This year, second string, yes. At 38 points, Connor might be a heat leader, but at the least, a strong second string. We've all got to adjust our expectations of who fits where. Half the heat leaders might be unemployed next year, and will come back in 2025 to replace the 2024 heat leaders, whose averages will increase so much they become unemployable.

Bailey as a reserve? In the championship? I hope you are joking because he currently rides in the championship and I think you should go have a look at his average

Bailey as a reserve / second string at the very best. That’s about it. Championship heat leader Bailey is not!

He doesn't mean that! He said he wants to do Sweden along with Poland. Does nobody listen to interviews lol.

Just been announced that Workington are moving up to the championship.

I have nothing against NDL racing and have, in the past, frequently championed the third tier. As a regular at places like Isle of Wight, Mildenhall, Belle Vue and Scunthorpe over the years, I have seen - and often greatly appreciated - the NDL. The new Workington track is superb and a great credit to Andrew Bain and Steve Lawson. The NDLRC should be the showpiece event of the year with all the league's top riders taking part. By my calculation, there are just 4 of the top 16 that should be there, and Belle Vue and Oxford are sending riders who aren't even in the teams top 5. That's not good enough.

Agree. Not totally sure how bad the track is but this is becoming a habit as far as Leicester are concerned and it is about time that the BSPL and management of clubs got together and stopped the farcical situation of finals taking place in October. Most clubs have enough blank dates in the summer months and it is about time that a crack down took place not least on the cancellation on a whim which seems to be catching. Years back riders raced notwithstanding and got on with it, now you have whimps and those in charge need to get real about the sport that they are involved in and do whatever it takes to get a meeting on.

Simmo summed him up in his book...DJ would cut corners to save money and it proved costly more than once.