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Load of fuss about nothing. As long as the meeting is run in a reasonable time ie 90 mins or so then what difference does it make how often the tractor does a bit of grading?

Bigcatdiary has spotted a document on the planning portal at PCC that all of us should have a quick read of (thanks for that). It is the one dated 22 Novermber and is listed with all of the objections. It brings their views out into the public following the meeting for the two planning applications that were turned down recently that should have curdled Butterfield's breakfast cereal. Probably the most significant bit of it is an overall theme that the tactic of splitting the site into two parts was a monumental mistake. Far from making the plans slip under the various portal doors, it has actually opened up the whole plan for what it is - an attempt to concrete the showground in an attempt to make loads of money in exchange for replacing a major Peterborough asset with little more than a thumbnail of silly unnecessary money making pretend sporting venues, a few corner shops and an unnecessary hotel. Clearly from this document, PCC planners, helped by local councillors lots of active locals and proper sports fans, have finally seen right through the whole charade. The tenure of that 22 Nov report is that the Local Plan was designed and passed into law with the aim of possibly adding a few new houses (although it is clear here that there are enough already on the planners books anyway) and keeping the showground as a working and very positive asset for the local area. The loss of all those events that Butterfield and his cronies actively killed off by stopping them booking the showground are highlighted in the report and it is very clear indeed that the PCC planners didn't buy all those sneaky tactics and saw them for what they were - a gigantic con trick. (applause please!) There is a section on LP36 that points out that the way the development has been planned does almost certainly not meet the requirements spelled out in LP36 to retain the character and use of the showground with either the two plans or a big single one. It specifically identifies the loss of the speedway in this part of their comments. The section on LP30 is absolutely devastating. It specifically says that AEPG should not have served notice on the club to take the safety infrastructure and lighting down to make the club non-viable. This is a loud barbed reference to the fact that making the club vacate the site is the real reason for Peterborough Panthers not being able to complete in speedway next season. It also highlights the objection by Sport England, so a second round of applause. please. I would venture to suggest that this PCC document is an excellent repost to any idea that Butterfield thinks it would be a good idea to appeal to the SoS against the first stage of the application that was so comprehensively rejected. A third and hopefully final round of applause please to all those who helped to highlight all of the flaws in this silly idea and let's make sure we keep our boots on their throats until the whole Butterfield gang are ejected southwards back down that lovely newly surfaced bit of the A1(M). I really do hope they will see the error of their ways although I am sure they will keep bashing away so we must keep our eyes peeled for the next chapter in this sorry saga.

Why not debate without personal attacks and insults? Why be so triggered by somebody posting a pretty mild opinion? Dear me.

Another one of the facenna's accountants posting on here. My god they go through some amount of them Regards Leon, rider discusses terms with 2 clubs.. oh the humanity how dare he. Blobby pulled exact same chat last winter with ace until Mrs P shot him down. It's clearly an obsession

The shift in power of the council has definitely helped Speedway’s cause. The pressure we have put on AEPG is immense and guess what we’ve only just begun. The next two weeks are going to heap even more pressure on AEPG specifically with one confirmed (and as yet not announced publicly) event and one that I hope will be confirmed early next week. These two events will hit AEPG very hard. There is also another rally in the shopping centre of the ward where the Showground is on Saturday 2nd December. Also worth pointing out that the document you mention above originates from the PCC Planning Department. Great to see that Speedway is specifically mentioned in LP30, which kicks AEPG in the nuts as they have recently stated in a statement that LP30 does not specifically relate to Speedway. ‘ave it!

Possibly but I certainly don’t and have no desire to know, it just becomes a bit tiresome when this rhetoric gets used. I can understand why to certain extent but obviously teams work to a budget if ours is higher why should it matter?.

I know it was raised a few years ago and dismissed because King's Lynn (Buster) thought it was too close, but Swaffham Raceway has just had a makeover and the owner is looking for new opportunities. With Peterborough closing and Mildenhall withdrawing from regular league speedway, it may be an opportunity. It may draw new punters from Swaffham, Dereham, Watton,Fakenham, even Norwich etc as well as the Mildenhall faithful.

Awwww, did someone pee in your coco pops ? Jason Doyle could have the pick of almost every club to ride for. but chooses Ipswich, which is not your club, so you decide to make yourself look a complete idiot on the forum, and not for the first time ! By your completely batrubbish reckoning, every sportsman and sportswoman only ever compete for a particular club solely because of money ! Are there some mercenaries like that ? Of course there are, “Rental Robert” of Norfolk springs to mind, but to suggest absolutely every rider is a mercenary is completely incorrect ! I’ll bet you’re fun at parties !

Well I almost certainly don’t……..and I don’t think you do either……but if I’m wrong, just post on here everything you know about riders’ wages and clubs’ finances then we can all be in the loop.

Why? Glasgow have, and spend, more money than most other clubs - why be so defensive about it?

Be more fun in the summer driving past and going to the coast.

Done neither. Doyle's integrity & loyalty is with his family. Riding for Ipswich is a job & what he deems best for himself & family right now. Nothing to do with any love or loyalty for Ipswich &/or British Speedway.

So you’re questioning Doyle’s integrity then? As well as slagging off Ipswich as a club? For what?

Yeah he is making his debut in Ekstraliga 2 (Old Div 1) for Poznan in 2024

Maybe he's on a big brown envelope promise, but has seriously underestimated those that have real passion for the club...

You knew exactly what you were doing as you started it all with the post above, quickly backed up by another Lynn fan. A Peterborough supporter and a Belle Vue supporter commend the man’s loyalty and lo and behold two Lynn fans immediately respond to argue against it. Why would you even want to start that “debate”? Just comes across as envy and pettiness to be honest. Is it convenient and financially beneficial to him, of course it is nobody has said otherwise to my knowledge, but he does genuinely seem to love riding for Ipswich that’s pretty obvious too and I’ve no doubt they were his first choice. He goes above and beyond what needs to be said when riders sign for clubs

Yet he's not being held to account, surely he's as culpable as Butterfield

https://youtu.be/Q9gA_6_bPus?si=0iFgzNDea_s5FlYa Rally highlights

So why is our owner not fighting this?

I've never understood that argument against signing a rider, I'd say Sam Masters is past his best, but that doesn't stop Oxford wanting to sign him. Plus if TJ wasn't past his best he wouldn't be available on a 6.4 average.

Well... He hasn't, he's just written off Scunthorpe

Not that it matters anymore, but he did agree terms with King's Lynn for both the 22 and 23 season before having a change of heart

Good to see the comets spreading the word i spent a laal bit of time helping them out today

Well he is not going to give it away until it is official.

That’s wrong, so no point filling in any blanks.

I keep reading about howarth and Scunthorpe where has that story come from? I was quite hoping our captain might be back at Plymouth next season.

I consider myself to be a skeptic, but your words are absolute cynicism. How sad.

The Wiggy of 83/84 looked so hungry and sharp and destined to be at the sharp end for years. Looking back, the ban he had from international speedway in 85 coupled with winning the World Long Track that same year completely changed the direction of his career. I’m not sure speedway ever became an absolute priority again. I remember him going out of the World Champs at the Commonwealth Final one year and he was really poor. Sticking with long trackers, did Marcel Gerard ever give speedway a go? Pretty remarkable that a guy from Switzerland could win the WLT.

I could see Kerr maintaining in what should be a weakened league but not much improvement there! Rory is the one that could improve more in 2024 IMO. Was a bit of a saviour for us on the road especially with the season just gone.

Totally agree

Welcome to the Peterborough stars page lol

Yes that’s fair, but he wouldn’t be coming in on an inflated average and expected to ride like a number 1.

The riders just want a job so nothing to see here. If Panthers had been running they'd have been at the EoES but someone offered them that job with some consistency and familiarity. Who wouldn't take it? Speedway politics of this nature doesn't take up much, if any, of their time. The only villain here is Chapman who has allegedly taken down his more successful local rivals and plundered their riding assets etc. He's of course welcome to put his side and explain the efforts he made during 2023 to keep Panthers afloat for 2024 and why he's still clinging on to bugger all now. Sadly I think that there is more chance potentially of Ashley Butterfield appearing as VIP guest at the opening meeting at the Norfolk Arena.

The amount of times you read this pi$$ is mind numbing and predictable. And he has not even signed yet. Its there comfort blanket whilst sucking on their thumb in the rocking chair.

I'd be interested to know how fifteen minutes of actual ontrack action (using fifteen heats as an example) could be improved upon so as to make a full evening's entertainment? Perhaps adopt the American Football scenario and incorporate touchline entertainment?

Imagine having Kings Lynn on your CV…….

If he’s only signed for Ipswich because he lives in Norfolk and it’s easy for him, he could always sign for Lynn! Surely would be even easier..

Based on his 8.63 average being 8th= highest in the league, means he's a number one in a 9 team league. Remove Douglas, Basso & Morris & he'd be then 5th= highest, so ever more a number one for 2024.

Poole have been after Zischke for two years? And they've lost out to Workington! How the mighty have fallen.

I totally agree alot of riders have lived here but not ridden here, a top class gp rider choosing to ride here year after year is a great thing and should be applauded not slated, also Emil riding here has been fantastic for British Speedway

Others have lived in the UK and not ridden our league and chosen Poland, Sweden and Denmark. Not sure why there’s a sudden discussion arguing against a world class rider being so loyal to Speedway in this country and finding reasons why that is the case. But then they do seem to be coming from Norfolk way so that probably explains it. How many as good and in demand as him, that is a regular in the GP, has chosen to ride in the UK over the years? He’s in a tiny tiny minority and we’ve been lucky to have him here full stop. Jack Holder to be fair to him, is showing a similar level of loyalty so far.

I believe Doyle when he says he is happy at Ipswich, you can see what it means to him when he wins important races for Ipswich. He is a honest guy who clearly likes his employer and wants to do well for them.

I,m sure promoters are grateful for any help received .

You are confusing Robert lambert with Jason Doyle surely. I know I’d take Doyle every time in my team than that mercenary.

If he wasn't bothered about Ipswich or UK he could move his family to Sweden or Poland and still get family time. He's committed to the UK and gets nowhere near enough credit. If every GP rider was the same, Speedway in the UK would be top notch.

Don’t know what all the fuss about a 3pm start time. Yeah working full time and life gets in the way some weeks but if you’re really a supporter you’ll be there when you can. As for it clashing with the Reds and amateur rugby, I know what I’d prefer to go and watch. Instead of all the negativity flying around in the world atm can we just have some positive thinking for a change. Get behind the promotion, behind our 7 riders whoever’s they may be, and support the comets.

You would have though so.But backhander from housing development probably worth more if they sit it out .

It doesn’t matter how you try to spin it Jason has been one of the most loyal GP riders to UK speedway. There is no team in the league who would not want him in their team. Both Jason and Emil have bought plenty of entertainment to the fans at Ipswich . More so than than any other riders in recent years ( although Jason if you are reading this you have yet to do full lap of the stockcar track on 1 wheel)!

I think as has been said it smooths the way for osbourne as he continues on with his plans, if a new promotion came along to soon it may become a bit uncomfortable for him.Don’t forget el tel has already been paid off anyway

I'm thinking that Zoltan Adorjan might fit into this category. If he had raced in the UK early in his career, from the early 80s, I think he would have made it much further than he did...although he did not bad as it was.