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Josh Auty apparently is in good form although his top flight record is atrocious. An away point is always good enough. It’s the minimum you want from every away match.

Plus of course OFFICIAL greensheet averages has Howarth 8.44 and Auty 7.55 That good that top flight clubs are flocking to sign him. Case endeth.

Don’t ask me to quote the 2017/2016 top flight and 2nd tier averages for them both or I fear you might have to rest your case completely. Howarth is a level above Auty, although taking nothing away from Josh who is having a great season so far. There is a reason why Auty isn’t given top flight chances anymore....... so now I rest my case.

Same old KK tho. He has been doing that for years. How he ever got to be world number 2 once is beyond me.

Aces will progress thru unless they want to throw it away.

http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.34724

I think you only have to look at Tai and Lambert to see how to play your improving career, don’t put the UK first. And who can blame them? the BSPA should be doing everything possible to look after all their star Brits and ensure they make it easier NOT harder to ride here. for instance, why wouldn’t they seed Tai or Cook (as GP riders) direct to the British final. Haven’t they earned that right???

It’s not one leagues fault tho. We should have always had something in place that helps the next generation at BOTH levels. Primarily it’s the 2nd tier that’s at fault tho instead of filling the bottom end with rubbish low averaged non British riders. IMHO ALL non British riders should retain a minimum 5 point average throughout their British league career. The top flight is equally the blame for not retaining the compulsory Brit rider at number 7. The main issue with British speedway is it lurches from one season to the next with no long term plan or no goal setting and tries to rectify an issue from the previous season. It’s no wonder things get voted in and out with such regularity when you have the self interest of promoters voting every season. We have some great talent coming thru in part with thanks to Neil Vatcher and no doubt both leagues will want to exploit that next season as they should. My issue is it should be part of both leagues every seasonal not just when it suits. As we all saw at the British Final the younger generation are taking over. Plus with the likes of Drew Kemp, Leon Flint and the Thompson Twins ready to explode next season the future looks bright. It’s the league structure that could mess up their careers.

Not really sure that’s true. The lower leagues rely on riders doubling down just as much as the top flight do. There simply isn’t enough riders to go around. Wether we like it or not it’s a necessary evil. It’s also one of the reasons why one big league wouldn’t work under its current format.

What a moronic thing to do to throw a steel shoe anywhere!

I’d say he is the biggest problem yes.

Disappointing result in the end. What is it with Wolves starting so strong away from home and fading away? We have done so well up till now but we can’t keep wasting opportunities like this. im sure the management are eyeing up options as we speak. the expected issue of Jacob at number one isn’t the issue however.

He had shoulder surgery just 2 weeks ago.

I’m surprised you haven’t commented on how well your boy did in the British Final STR. As expected, Howarth was a level above.

A point should be the target for tonight. Good luck boys.

To me it is perfectly put. We know that the plan was to go for a heat advantage. That plan changed when the Russians hit a 5-1 at the end of lap one. Of course it’s naive to suggest there wasn’t a back up plan to hold a 3 all if they were 2nd and 3rd. But we were never close to that position, until the last lap. with it being the final what better way to finish with a hard race instead of a slow up race. Those who think Emil could have been fooled into being suckered by Tai over a couple of laps is also naive in the extreme.

Perfectly put.

Exactly. An explanation has been given yet still some want to pick fault. we wondered what the tactics were and now we know. Some of us will have closure on why the race went the way it did. no doubt some will still pick it apart till everyone agrees with them.

There was nothing to deny. You read what you want in a post as per usual. We simply don’t know what Rosco or the team said we had to do in the final. It certainly seems obvious to everyone else what we had to do. id rather give some the benefit of the doubt instead of being pompous like you. We’ve seen so many instances of you ‘strongly believe I am’ right by constantly harbouring the point in a relentless manner. Thankfully we are all different and not all of us have to believe what we know is right. Thankfully I don’t need to be that important.

Making stuff up as per usual. Still, at least it suit the I'm always right bwitcher style of posting.

And Russia team rode once in 2nd and 3rd??? The usual bwitcher reply changing the meaning. We have no idea what the instructions from the pits were. We assume it was 'get a 3 all 2nd and 3rd'. We all know what the rules were however we have Rosco as a team manager

My ‘Tai tinted glasses’ have been off for years thanks but have to credit where credit is due. We have no idea what the instructions for the final were. It’s all assumption what he should have done. IMHO it would have made GB more vulnerable waiting for Emil. Maybe Tai was hoping Robert might have picked Emil off (which he nearly did) whilst he went after Artem?? There was nobody better at team riding throughout the week than Tai. The Russians didn’t exactly team ride once on a 3 all either. Team riding which only Woffy seemed capable of doing, did Russia start team riding once Tai got to the front?? If we expect GB to do it in the final then shouldn’t we expect the same from Russia?? Nothing better than watching team riding but it’s a lost art form, as evidenced throughout the competition with only Woffy giving a perfect demonstration.

Which was my point all along. Judging who is best is completely subjective dependant on your age/ favourite rider and or team/ dislike of other teams and riders. One reliable piece of evidence is the history that is known and evidenced by triumphs and achievements. Wolves fans would probably say Sam Ermolenko is a better rider than Tai also which is the kind of thing you will get when asking people who is the best rider. Completely subjective. The ONLY reason we were in the position we were was solely due to the amazing efforts of Tai. To then lay blame at his door for the final is ludicrous. We don't know the reasons why he chased for the win but I trust he did the right thing, based on the fact that if was him alone that ensured we were in that position in the first place. To call him out in one race is frankly ludicrous.

I've not fallen into any trap, I've already said that I don't mean to discredit the ability of Craven. I'm fully aware of his history and standing within the sport. I can't remember where he came in the Speedway Star rider of the millennium. I'd imagine he was pretty high up. Certainly a good idea where he was ranked by all speedway fans of all ages. Of course you still have to measure that against what any rider achieves in the history books. It would be foolhardy of anyone to suggest that if woffy was to add another one or two world titles to his name that he still wouldn't be a worthy candidate of being one of our all time greats.

A good point. Eye witnesses are great, but we are all eye witnesses and we all see different things depending on your club or country bias. Ive not read many reports that haven’t said Craven wasn’t superb and wasn’t the best of his era. That’s not in question. My dad has told me stories that go back to the 50’s so I’m fully aware of the history of riders and abilities. That said the history books tell us the facts, the rest is subjective.