Warsaw GP Saturday May 13th 2023

[orion]

35 minutes ago, screm said:

Maybe we need VAR in speedway.

We have ..a ref can watch video evidence. The trouble with any form of Var it call still come down to one person's opinion .

[Ryehouseforever]

Can someone tell me why this race was not awarded to Jack Holder? In GB racing it would have been. Why do the other two riders get another bite of the cherry? Clearly going into the last lap Holder had won the race.  Is it different in grand Prix. To me it lacks common sense.

[Leicester Lion]

45 minutes ago, AFCB Wildcat said:

Please accept my sincere apologies for my grammatical error and any offence it caused you.

In hindsight, I can see that this hideous faux Pas completely invalidates the point I was making and would have made it very difficult to understand. 

Thanks for pointing it out 

Either way you were saying Zmarzlik had passed (or got past) Doyle, which wasn't the case as they were side by side. 

[HenryW]

 

[Gavan]

Personally I think Zmarzlik was at fault 

However it’s funny reading old man Middlo who believes the referee cost Jack Holder??

Obviously the Poole boss doesn’t know the rules that no race can be awarded at GP level….. o don’t agree with the rule but surely Muddlo should know it 

Unfortunate for Holder ….. but someone had to be excluded so to see Muddlo get his knickers in a twist over the decision costing Holder is hilarious 

[Hodgy]

14 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Personally I think Zmarzlik was at fault 

However it’s funny reading old man Middlo who believes the referee cost Jack Holder??

Obviously the Poole boss doesn’t know the rules that no race can be awarded at GP level….. o don’t agree with the rule but surely Muddlo should know it 

Unfortunate for Holder ….. but someone had to be excluded so to see Muddlo get his knickers in a twist over the decision costing Holder is hilarious 

FFS man (women)! You could have just left it at your first line - but no, your obsession with all things Poole is tedious. You just can’t help yourself. 

[AFCB Wildcat]

7 hours ago, Leicester Lion said:

Either way you were saying Zmarzlik had passed (or got past) Doyle, which wasn't the case as they were side by side. 

Okay, again, in the literal interpretation of  'past', he hadn't cleared Doyle completely but if it makes you happy, the leading edge of his machine was in front of Doyle's before the point of contact.

Doyle blocked the move up the inside on the preceding laps but left the door wide open on this occasion. What was Zmarzlik supposed to do? To say that he went for a gap that wasn't there (and I know you didn't say that) is nonsense, as it clearly was. 

From that point on Zmarzlik rode the only line he could and made no attempt to move Doyle out. Doyle had the option to change tack with his preferred line taken but chose not to hence the contact.

So apart from nitpicking the interpretation & spelling of 'past', what is your point? 

What did Zmarzlik do wrong? I'm quite prepared to hear someone with an alternative opinion to mine without trying to belittle them.

(Disclaimer. This post probably contains spelling or grammatical errors. Read at your own risk) 

Edited May 14, 2023 by AFCB Wildcat

[iris123]

4 hours ago, HenryW said:

 

Funny that. I thought Klindt was right into all the conspiracy theories going round the last couple of years. 

 

[Tinker]

The incident between Smarzlik and Doyle reminded me of an almost identical coming together in last year's Premier League Final between Brady Kurtz and Tobiasz Musielak. Kurtz fell off on the outside but it was Musielak who was excluded.

I personally think Smarzlik should have gone.

[chris4gillian]

6 hours ago, screm said:

Maybe we need VAR in speedway.

We have, it's called slow motion replays 

[Technik]

When the Referee turns up with two young children & has to walk around with an FIM coat on he is more concerned about keeping himself & his kids safe.

He made a decision based on fear. If this had happened outside of Poland then I believe the outcome would have been different

[Falubaz]

12 hours ago, screm said:

Since when was Neymar in SGP.

You aren't intelligent enough to understand the mataphor...

[Falubaz]

1 hour ago, Tinker said:

The incident between Smarzlik and Doyle reminded me of an almost identical coming together in last year's Premier League Final between Brady Kurtz and Tobiasz Musielak. Kurtz fell off on the outside but it was Musielak who was excluded.

I personally think Smarzlik should have gone.

You cant even spell 3 time World Champion name.... Your credibility is non-existant

[IainB]

35 minutes ago, Technik said:

When the Referee turns up with two young children & has to walk around with an FIM coat on he is more concerned about keeping himself & his kids safe.

He made a decision based on fear. If this had happened outside of Poland then I believe the outcome would have been different

I'm sure Doyley will get the benefit when the Australian round is held... oh hang on a minute!

And still some people think the Pole's don't have any advantage with loads of rounds always being held in Poland 

[screm]

1 hour ago, Falubaz said:

You aren't intelligent enough to understand the mataphor...

You clearly don't get irony, but never mind.

As for intelligence, I am intelligent enough to know that Zmarzlik got an iffy decision last night, pity the referee didn't, let that be an end of it.

[Tinker]

4 hours ago, Falubaz said:

You cant even spell 3 time World Champion name.... Your credibility is non-existant

What a silly and sad post, that's all I can say. I was just making a point, no need to get personal. 

[HenryW]

A random thought, but I noted that one person in this thread commented on Zmarzlik's signature move of diving inside into corners.

Another commented on him being given too much room around the outside.

Is that not a sign of a great rider? You don't know how to race against him? If you move out, he dives under you. If you stay tight he goes round you?

I know it's not really relevant to last night's final incident, but just seemed interesting that these comments were made.

[Gambo]

9 hours ago, Gavan said:

Personally I think Zmarzlik was at fault 

However it’s funny reading old man Middlo who believes the referee cost Jack Holder??

Obviously the Poole boss doesn’t know the rules that no race can be awarded at GP level….. o don’t agree with the rule but surely Muddlo should know it 

Unfortunate for Holder ….. but someone had to be excluded so to see Muddlo get his knickers in a twist over the decision costing Holder is hilarious 

10.19 Finish of a heat
The finish of a heat shall occur in the case of any of the following circumstances.
a) when the front part of the front wheel of the motorcycle (whilst attached to the machine) passes over the finishing line after completing the appropriate number of laps provided the competitor is in contact with his motorcycle.
b) when the referee has awarded the heat as provided for in these regulations.
c) if the referee has cause to stop a heat after the leading rider has passed the start/finish line to commence the last lap, the referee has the sole discretion to award the heat based upon the positions of the competitors at the time the heat was caused to be stopped.
The disqualified rider will be awarded no points and any competitors behind the disqualified riders will advance one place.
d) where racing incidents etc. have reduced the riders available to take part in the rerun of any heat to a single competitor, the referee may award the appropriate number of points to the remaining competitor without the need for a further rerun.
 

[FAST GATER]

5 hours ago, HenryW said:

A random thought, but I noted that one person in this thread commented on Zmarzlik's signature move of diving inside into corners.

Another commented on him being given too much room around the outside.

Is that not a sign of a great rider? You don't know how to race against him? If you move out, he dives under you. If you stay tight he goes round you?

I know it's not really relevant to last night's final incident, but just seemed interesting that these comments were made.

Spot on !

[gbrussell]

7 hours ago, Gambo said:

10.19 Finish of a heat
The finish of a heat shall occur in the case of any of the following circumstances.
a) when the front part of the front wheel of the motorcycle (whilst attached to the machine) passes over the finishing line after completing the appropriate number of laps provided the competitor is in contact with his motorcycle.
b) when the referee has awarded the heat as provided for in these regulations.
c) if the referee has cause to stop a heat after the leading rider has passed the start/finish line to commence the last lap, the referee has the sole discretion to award the heat based upon the positions of the competitors at the time the heat was caused to be stopped.
The disqualified rider will be awarded no points and any competitors behind the disqualified riders will advance one place.
d) where racing incidents etc. have reduced the riders available to take part in the rerun of any heat to a single competitor, the referee may award the appropriate number of points to the remaining competitor without the need for a further rerun.
 

Someone said earlier that c) might not apply in World Championship events. I’m not sure one way or the other. Can someone please confirm.