Gambo Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Freddie has 'gained' 11 Championship Points (36) v Race Points (25) Bartosz has 'gained' 8 Championship points (36) v Race Points (28) Top Race Points scorer Doyle (29) has 28 Championship points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gambo said: Freddie has 'gained' 11 Championship Points (36) v Race Points (25) Bartosz has 'gained' 8 Championship points (36) v Race Points (28) Top Race Points scorer Doyle (29) has 28 Championship points. I always preferred the points you score being the points you get, getting in a final on 8 and being awarded 20 if you win it is a joke 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falubaz Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, screm said: Polish rider. Polish crowd, Polish stadium. No more to say. Bullrubbish. Doyle did what Neymar is famous of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falubaz Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, DJC said: Doyle makes some really bad decisions and can be very reckless but was on the receiving end of a few naughty ones early on. Zmarzlik has been lucky not to seriously hurt himself or anyone else because 99/100 times he pulls that same move and people move out of the way…knowing they’ll get wiped out otherwise. he’s not been out under pressure for a while and I have a feeling that won’t be the first flash point his year Watch it again and tell me Zmarzlik made Doyle to lay. WATCH IT AGAIN WITH NO BIAS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Just now, Falubaz said: Watch it again and tell me Zmarzlik made Doyle to lay. WATCH IT AGAIN WITH NO BIAS Took him out. throttle works both ways and you can’t force gaps. Tell me Doyle wouldn’t have been excluded if he’d done that to Zmarzlik! Not about bias it’s about consistency, and for the record I think Doyley’s an absolute helmet on and off the track 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Lindgren should of been excluded in the first semi final. Impeded Bewley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) Speedway IS NOT a contact sport despite what Greg Hancock said, so either Bartek knocked JD off or Doyley turned in on him... for me Doyley did not turn in on Bartek. Good result for Holder 2000th of a second to grab 2nd, with those kind of margins I wonder if the difference in length between the edge of the front tyre and the transponder could decide a result? (Although I realise not so on this occasion) Edited May 13, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Cracking GP from the first heat. I’m not a Holder fan but he must feel robbed, and rightly so. The referee had two decision to make, both involving Zmarzlik, and my view is he got both right. The first one was cut and dried, the second one seems to be controversial. If you watch a rerun and keep your eye on BZ from when he drew level with Doyle as they came off bend 2, then you’ll see he didn’t deviate from his line. After he was ahead of Doyle, Doyle turned into him and Doyle did the Chris Harris jump off (something Doyle criticised Harris for doing!) Doyle is usually the master of histrionics but he seemed to take his disqualification more calmly. No pushing cameras away or flouncing into his pit bay. That suggests to me he knew the disqualification was fair. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 I thought it was an enjoyable GP. I seem to be in the minority here in thinking the refs decision in the final was a reasonable one. Just a shame for Holder that the result wasn't awarded. The other positions weren't in doubt when the incident happened, but I presume awarding wasn't an option? I thought the two incidents where riders lost out due to riders in front losing control might have merited more discussion. Both Bewley and Kowalski had to shut off to avoid out of control opponents and they lost positions due to this, which seems unfair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, HenryW said: Both Bewley and Kowalski had to shut off to avoid out of control opponents and they lost positions due to this, which seems unfair. Unfair riding used to be a reason to exclude a rider, in Britain at least, don't know if it still is or if it's an FIM reg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, 89buttons said: I always preferred the points you score being the points you get, getting in a final on 8 and being awarded 20 if you win it is a joke Is it really a joke that the winner of the GP gets the most points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) https://twitter.com/iainebrown/status/1657513075187101697?t=M9Lj1_4R7ReHhxzbYNz05w&s=19 Edited May 14, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 minute ago, chunky said: Is it really a joke that the winner of the GP gets the most points? Yes, because in a speedway GP it is not only one race, it is five heats, two semis, and a final, and points are there to be scored in each and any of these 23 events. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bavarian said: Yes, because in a speedway GP it is not only one race, it is five heats, two semis, and a final, and points are there to be scored in each and any of these 23 events. That is irrelevant. I don't necessarily like the current points system, but the winner of a GP SHOULD get the most points. There are better alternatives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrussell Posted May 14, 2023 Report Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) I am away on holidays at present so I won't be seeing this GP until at least Thursday. Judging by the comments this was a call that could have gone either way. It did however go in favour of a home rider which does create doubts in fans thoughts. I've just searched the live updates site for the decision to exclude Sayfutdinov at Wroclaw in 2021, when Janowski came from behind at speed and clattered into Emil. As the referee was contemplating his decision the home crowd were chanting Janowski over and over again to pressure the referee. Like Warsaw the referee went the way of the home rider. It was however a different referee. I will watch the meeting with Interest when I get home. I am getting frustrated with home ground special decisions in other sports, particularly cricket. Hopefully that is not permeating it's way into speedway. Edited May 14, 2023 by gbrussell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 14, 2023 Report Share Posted May 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Falubaz said: Bullrubbish. Doyle did what Neymar is famous of. Since when was Neymar in SGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 14, 2023 Report Share Posted May 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Wee Eck said: Cracking GP from the first heat. I’m not a Holder fan but he must feel robbed, and rightly so. The referee had two decision to make, both involving Zmarzlik, and my view is he got both right. The first one was cut and dried, the second one seems to be controversial. If you watch a rerun and keep your eye on BZ from when he drew level with Doyle as they came off bend 2, then you’ll see he didn’t deviate from his line. After he was ahead of Doyle, Doyle turned into him and Doyle did the Chris Harris jump off (something Doyle criticised Harris for doing!) Doyle is usually the master of histrionics but he seemed to take his disqualification more calmly. No pushing cameras away or flouncing into his pit bay. That suggests to me he knew the disqualification was fair. Or revenge is a dish best served cold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisdonnelly Posted May 14, 2023 Report Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) Zmarslik seems to have become an untouchable force in the gps. Everyone is s@#&t scared to race him, the amount of room he was given to pass on the back straight was laughable. Imo he was never getting excluded in the final, Doyle could have stayed on but what would that have achieved…. Edited May 14, 2023 by Chrisdonnelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted May 14, 2023 Report Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Chrisdonnelly said: Zmarslik seems to have become an untouchable force in the gps This maybe the case IMO it is not down to the other rider's fear but due to the fact he is at the top of his game and in a real purple patch ,all the great riders have these periods .Bart great skill is the speed he generates on the bike as to racing room I think that is something he creates himself and in most cases affords his fellow riders . With regards to "fear factor" that is Doyle's stock- in- trade he has used throughout his entire career ,the school bully ended up on his bum last night rightly or wrongly ! Edited May 14, 2023 by FAST GATER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 14, 2023 Report Share Posted May 14, 2023 Referee decision on Doyle vs Zmarzlik was definitely correct. Its hardly the first time Doyle tries a move like that and perhaps the referees hold him accountable for it. It was the same with Nicki Pedersen who were really hard on the others but was quick to play the victim when others were hard on him. However I agree that the race should have been awarded to Jack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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