Warsaw GP Saturday May 13th 2023

[racers and royals]

26 minutes ago, gbrussell said:

Someone said earlier that c) might not apply in World Championship events. I’m not sure one way or the other. Can someone please confirm.

Gambo would not have posted that if it didn’t apply to GP’s- he definitely knows the time of day.

[Fromafar]

9 hours ago, HenryW said:

A random thought, but I noted that one person in this thread commented on Zmarzlik's signature move of diving inside into corners.

Another commented on him being given too much room around the outside.

Is that not a sign of a great rider? You don't know how to race against him? If you move out, he dives under you. If you stay tight he goes round you?

I know it's not really relevant to last night's final incident, but just seemed interesting that these comments were made.

It is the sign of a great rider IMO.Which Zmarzlik certainly is.

[Fromafar]

Why do Refs’s not disqualify riders  out of control who seriously impede other riders.Recently at Berwick the Ref stopped the race on 2nd or 3rd lap when Vissing impeded Knudsen even though Knudsen stayed on the bike and excluded Vissing .Is it different rules in Gp’s.Lindgren and Woffy both caused riders to take evasive action IMO.When it’s so obvious the culprit should be exclude IMO.

[Chris]

Didn't see what the outrage was all about. 50/50 call for me. Zmarzlik had got ahead of Doyle

Regarding out-of-control riders-Bewley knew he messed up. If he would have kept the throttle wound on he would have passed Lindgren. He got a bit spooked and knocked the throttle off killing his race. If you want to be world champion you don't knock the throttle off there. Zmarzlik, Lindgren or Doyle wouldn't. Keep it wound on or react quicker. Should come with experience.

[Grachan]

32 minutes ago, Chris said:

Didn't see what the outrage was all about. 50/50 call for me. Zmarzlik had got ahead of Doyle

Regarding out-of-control riders-Bewley knew he messed up. If he would have kept the throttle wound on he would have passed Lindgren. He got a bit spooked and knocked the throttle off killing his race. If you want to be world champion you don't knock the throttle off there. Zmarzlik, Lindgren or Doyle wouldn't. Keep it wound on or react quicker. Should come with experience.

Bewley as good as said in his interview that he should have laid the bike down and got Lindgren excluded and said that he had learned from the experience. Expect Dan to do a Nicki next time this happens!

If you want to be World Champion you lay the bike down. Remember Hans Nielsen/Dennis Sigalos at White City? Sigalos lifted. Nielsen laid it down and Sigalos was excluded.

[Fromafar]

37 minutes ago, Grachan said:

Bewley as good as said in his interview that he should have laid the bike down and got Lindgren excluded and said that he had learned from the experience. Expect Dan to do a Nicki next time this happens!

If you want to be World Champion you lay the bike down. Remember Hans Nielsen/Dennis Sigalos at White City? Sigalos lifted. Nielsen laid it down and Sigalos was excluded.

The question must be “should you have to lay the bike down when seriously impeded.Lindgren did get it down,but Woffy went right across the young Pole and pulled a huge locker and the Pole had to take evasive action.

[BangerBoy]

3 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Why do Refs’s not disqualify riders  out of control who seriously impede other riders.Recently at Berwick the Ref stopped the race on 2nd or 3rd lap when Vissing impeded Knudsen even though Knudsen stayed on the bike and excluded Vissing .Is it different rules in Gp’s.Lindgren and Woffy both caused riders to take evasive action IMO.When it’s so obvious the culprit should be exclude IMO.

As it was years ago.

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, Chris said:

Didn't see what the outrage was all about. 50/50 call for me. Zmarzlik had got ahead of Doyle

Regarding out-of-control riders-Bewley knew he messed up. If he would have kept the throttle wound on he would have passed Lindgren. He got a bit spooked and knocked the throttle off killing his race. If you want to be world champion you don't knock the throttle off there. Zmarzlik, Lindgren or Doyle wouldn't. Keep it wound on or react quicker. Should come with experience.

I think Dan's serious injury of a few years ago could play on his mind a bit..

He often leaves "the door open" underneath him and gets passed by those who basically dont turn until they hit the bend...

The 3 riders you mention, and Madsen, are particularly good at that..

Ruthlessly "shutting that door" is what the top riders do as they "turn left" to clamp their opponents on the line, make them lock up and lose all momentum..

Woofy too nowadays often gets rode under, where he used to be very good at leaning across an opponent, lock up accordingly, stoppjng the run of his opponent, but keep moving himself forward....

GP Speedway certainly isnt for the faint hearted and is great to watch. .

Laguta and Emil would be great additions to the series....

Hopefuly both back next year, as they are also riders who go full pelt in every situation..

 

[OveFundinFan]

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[DazS]

8 hours ago, mikebv said:

I think Dan's serious injury of a few years ago could play on his mind a bit..

He often leaves "the door open" underneath him and gets passed by those who basically dont turn until they hit the bend...

The 3 riders you mention, and Madsen, are particularly good at that..

Ruthlessly "shutting that door" is what the top riders do as they "turn left" to clamp their opponents on the line, make them lock up and lose all momentum..

Woofy too nowadays often gets rode under, where he used to be very good at leaning across an opponent, lock up accordingly, stoppjng the run of his opponent, but keep moving himself forward....

GP Speedway certainly isnt for the faint hearted and is great to watch. .

Laguta and Emil would be great additions to the series....

Hopefuly both back next year, as they are also riders who go full pelt in every situation..

 

i think Bewley spooked zmarzlik when he dropped it on him in his 1st race

Edited May 15, 2023 by DazS

[FAST GATER]

33 minutes ago, DazS said:

i think Bewley spooked zmarzlik when he dropped it on him in his 1st race

Don't think anything spooks Bart !

[Duane]

17 hours ago, gbrussell said:

Someone said earlier that c) might not apply in World Championship events. I’m not sure one way or the other. Can someone please confirm.

It doesn’t, the FIM rule book is very clear. 

[Gambo]

9 hours ago, Duane said:

It doesn’t, the FIM rule book is very clear. 

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong, but , noting that the regs you posted above says (except FIM Speedway Grand Prix world championship series) can you show the actual regulation that says a race cannot be awarded. I can't see it in my copy.

[IainB]

32 minutes ago, Gambo said:

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong, but , noting that the regs you posted above says (except FIM Speedway Grand Prix world championship series) can you show the actual regulation that says a race cannot be awarded. I can't see it in my copy.

And while you're at it with the regs... is there anything in there about unfair or dangerous riding, there are in the British regs not sure about FIM

[Gambo]

26 minutes ago, iainb said:

And while you're at it with the regs... is there anything in there about unfair or dangerous riding, there are in the British regs not sure about FIM

All Regs are available for download from the FIM website. All you need to know | FIM (fim-moto.com)

Click on the CCP tab on the 'Owner' list.

Edited May 16, 2023 by Gambo
CCP info added.

[racers and royals]

12 hours ago, Duane said:

It doesn’t, the FIM rule book is very clear. 

I have just had confirmation from a FIM  GP official that this rule DOES apply in GP`s

c) if the referee has cause to stop a heat after the leading rider has passed the start/finish line to commence the last lap, the referee has the sole discretion to award the heat based upon the positions of the competitors at the time the heat was caused to be stopped.
The disqualified rider will be awarded no points and any competitors behind the disqualified riders will advance one place.

Edit i have just watched the final crash again and it`s difficult to see when the Red light came on and whether Jack Holder had just started the final lap. What i do know was that either he just had or was mighty close to starting it. If he hadn`t obviously the referee had no option to award.

Edited May 16, 2023 by racers and royals

[Duane]

1 hour ago, racers and royals said:

I have just had confirmation from a FIM  GP official that this rule DOES apply in GP`s

c) if the referee has cause to stop a heat after the leading rider has passed the start/finish line to commence the last lap, the referee has the sole discretion to award the heat based upon the positions of the competitors at the time the heat was caused to be stopped.
The disqualified rider will be awarded no points and any competitors behind the disqualified riders will advance one place.

Edit i have just watched the final crash again and it`s difficult to see when the Red light came on and whether Jack Holder had just started the final lap. What i do know was that either he just had or was mighty close to starting it. If he hadn`t obviously the referee had no option to award.

Very good.. all I was pointing out was it says (except FIM GP’s) which is what the discussion was about. 

[Duane]

3 hours ago, Gambo said:

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong, but , noting that the regs you posted above says (except FIM Speedway Grand Prix world championship series) can you show the actual regulation that says a race cannot be awarded. I can't see it in my copy.

Not trying to prove u wrong Gambo, just pointing out it say’s except FIM GP’s. They should delete that from the start of the rule book… actually they could probably remove half the rules anyway ..

[racers and royals]

22 minutes ago, Duane said:

Very good.. all I was pointing out was it says (except FIM GP’s) which is what the discussion was about. 

Just to clarify Appendix 1a which starts on page 30 of these Regs https://www.fim-moto.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/2023/2023_FIM_Track_Racing_Appendices_-_08.05.2023.pdf?t=1684245011  is indeed an area which doesn`t cover GP`s- the racing rules bit which does cover GP`s  comes well before that under section 10 starting on page 22 of the same regs.

Edited May 16, 2023 by racers and royals