SaddlebowRoad Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 43 minutes ago, StarBoy said: That is correct. However, I don’t think anyone can question Emil’s commitment to UK speedway since he’s returned id say the same for cook not a whole lot of difference imo dont really blame the riders poland have the power so might be time for the uk to change rather than ban people 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 If people think there is an issue with the club then why not grab Rob after the meeting tonght for a chat, he is honest and approachable. Probably more constructive than venting on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 If his wrist is much worse than people are aware of as was mentioned in an earlier post why is he risking further injury on a Polish track, they may be easier to ride but that doesn't mean that another rider won't take Cook out, as happened to Woffinden, and cause further maybe permanent damage to his wrist maybe ending his career., we all know he's only following Polish orders, If Cook thinks we Brits believe the garbage he put out in his statement he is sorely mistaken. Polish speedway think they can do what they like (and they do) and our weak kneed BSPL never stand up to them. I just hope no British club considers signing Ben Cook in the future after this p..s take and that the BSPL give him a ban and perhaps there is some way of withdrawing his Visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 4 minutes ago, hammer1969 said: If his wrist is much worse than people are aware of as was mentioned in an earlier post why is he risking further injury on a Polish track, they may be easier to ride but that doesn't mean that another rider won't take Cook out, as happened to Woffinden, and cause further maybe permanent damage to his wrist maybe ending his career., we all know he's only following Polish orders, If Cook thinks we Brits believe the garbage he put out in his statement he is sorely mistaken. Polish speedway think they can do what they like (and they do) and our weak kneed BSPL never stand up to them. I just hope no British club considers signing Ben Cook in the future after this p..s take and that the BSPL give him a ban and perhaps there is some way of withdrawing his Visa. Ben Cook is a very nice guy and very popular at Poole. I cant see him losing his visa or not riding later in the season especially when the polish season has finished whether that is for KL or elsewhere. He would be welcomed back at Poole anytime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 3 minutes ago, hammer1969 said: If his wrist is much worse than people are aware of as was mentioned in an earlier post why is he risking further injury on a Polish track, they may be easier to ride but that doesn't mean that another rider won't take Cook out, as happened to Woffinden, and cause further maybe permanent damage to his wrist maybe ending his career., we all know he's only following Polish orders, If Cook thinks we Brits believe the garbage he put out in his statement he is sorely mistaken. Polish speedway think they can do what they like (and they do) and our weak kneed BSPL never stand up to them. I just hope no British club considers signing Ben Cook in the future after this p..s take and that the BSPL give him a ban and perhaps there is some way of withdrawing his Visa. Until this country builds its operating model to not depend on so few riders, then the riders will always hold all the cards... And. Banning them isn't an answer, given they are so needed, and still have their, by far, major income from elsewhere to fall back on.. And it just means more Mickey Mouse guestfests... And. As Poland head towards the play offs it could be even beneficial for their riders to actually get banned over here!!! So, banning isn't much of a deterrent is it? The BSP have certainly put themselves into a position with very little to bargain with during any negotiations... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 39 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: If people think there is an issue with the club then why not grab Rob after the meeting tonght for a chat, he is honest and approachable. Probably more constructive than venting on here. Your not really thinking that will make difference.Nice and Honest guy maybe,but even he must be doubting the future of the sport in it’s present state in UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, PersonalResponsibility said: If it's too much trouble for him then just do him a favour and ban him from the UK for the rest of the season. I assume his Visa will be fine without an employer or sponsor in the UK? It's a terrible indictment of how far we've fallen that a bang average 27yo, riding in the Polish 2nd division, can mess around one of our top flight clubs like this. Laguta was bad enough. Ben Cook? Dear me. Makes you wonder how much Leszno are paying him to allow him to ditch Britain at the first sign of a bit of success. Too much it would appear. He was happy enough committing to Britain while he was a decent Championship rider. You can make the argument that this seems to happen a lot to Kings Lynn, but in their defence, what can you do when riders behave like this? Exactly. Also he signed for Leszno last couple of months of last season at least and orginally there were a few fixture clashes but Poole worked with Leszno to make sure there weren't any. I think the trouble is they seen the conditions at Lynn and Brum, and like nope. Can't really blame them tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, hasta la vista said: Yes it does. Kurtz injured, rides for Rybnik last year and Wroclaw this year but not BV. Pickering injured the other week, didn't ride for Sheffield. Rode for Leszno. J Holder took a day off sick from Sheffield but never has for Lublin. Tungate has missed UK meetings and ridden in Poland. Missed flights etc. Doyle rode for Częstochowa before returning for Ipswich. No one else been 'injured' other than Blodorn who has missed meetings for all teams and SEC. Add Klindt missing his Plymouth match to go and train with his Polish club 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: That statement suggest to me that Cook if unfit to ride speedway bike anywhere until passed medically fit. what a load of BULLSH#T. Totally taking the pi#s. I believe Cook also had money from the SRBF... To keep him going until he could get fit to ride again in Poland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, IainB said: Add Klindt missing his Plymouth match to go and train with his Polish club I believe Cook also had money from the SRBF... To keep him going until he could get fit to ride again in Poland May well have done but Poland would have paid the majority as they did the operation and rehab. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 6 minutes ago, LisaColette said: May well have done but Poland would have paid the majority as they did the operation and rehab. There have been some questionable pay outs by the SRBF recently, for this case they weren't to know Cook would pull a stunt like this, maybe Cook will pay the money back from his Polish earnings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 3 hours ago, mikebv said: The BSP have put themselves into a position where they are painted into a (very small) corner.... On here we have fans from track after track saying "we need replacements" yet the reality is very, very few riders want to come and ride over here.. The reputation of the tracks being part of the lack of enthusiasm, (bloody throttle jockey's eh?), and many simply don't want to take on extra work given lots do Poland, Sweden and their own country already.. Hence the teams start with the riders who do wish to ride over here, with very few interested others.. So, instead of doing the logical thing and reducing team places to create some spare riders, or running with less teams in each league, and keeping Div 3 at a decent level to accommodate those clubs incapable of competing at Div 2 level... They fudged around, making do and mending, having almost everyone doubling up, running leagues with teams completely out of their depth using up rider resource, but also allowing teams to ride in leagues below their organic status just so they could be a big fish in a small pond.. They did all that rather than building a set long term clear vision for the sport, where they were self sufficient, with clear demarcation between the leagues, and organic progressional growth for both teams and riders.... Instead of relying on the crumbs dropped from the Polish table... Like so many issues facing the sport today, all this was called out well over a decade ago on here and in Speedway publications, yet, as always seems to be the case, no one in the BSP saw any issues whatsoever, so just carried on as always... I don't blame the riders given the pressure they are under from their other employer who pays them between five and ten times more, as logically we would all do the same... It's the reliance on these riders that should have been sorted out, a long time ago... I agree with everything you have said, except he paragraph above. It's simple if he wants to go to Poland and earn his money, no problem, but and this is the crux of the matter. He got his visa through an English club not Poland. If Kings Lynn were to sack him, which in imo they should do. Where would he stand regarding riding in Poland? Would his visa become null and void? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 45 minutes ago, LisaColette said: Exactly. Also he signed for Leszno last couple of months of last season at least and orginally there were a few fixture clashes but Poole worked with Leszno to make sure there weren't any. I think the trouble is they seen the conditions at Lynn and Brum, and like nope. Can't really blame them tbh. Track at Lynn is normally ok,just grippy.Although nowhere near as grippy as it use to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 23 minutes ago, IainB said: There have been some questionable pay outs by the SRBF recently, for this case they weren't to know Cook would pull a stunt like this, maybe Cook will pay the money back from his Polish earnings? Not quite sure what the criteria is for getting paid by the SRBF, it didn’t seem so widespread when I was riding (90s,2000s )it was there but I alway thought it was for serious injury’s, I never had anything off them, I was lucky avoiding serious injury’s but I had a few which kept me out for a few weeks but never had anything off them nor would I of wanted to, my insurance and speedway’s insurance was the only thing I got, I’m going to try to find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 45 minutes ago, IainB said: There have been some questionable pay outs by the SRBF recently, for this case they weren't to know Cook would pull a stunt like this, maybe Cook will pay the money back from his Polish earnings? who runs the SRBF nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 5 minutes ago, Odds On said: who runs the SRBF nowadays? https://www.srbf.co.uk/about/trustees-and-volunteers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, hasta la vista said: Yes it does. Kurtz injured, rides for Rybnik last year and Wroclaw this year but not BV. Pickering injured the other week, didn't ride for Sheffield. Rode for Leszno. J Holder took a day off sick from Sheffield but never has for Lublin. Tungate has missed UK meetings and ridden in Poland. Missed flights etc. Doyle rode for Częstochowa before returning for Ipswich. No one else been 'injured' other than Blodorn who has missed meetings for all teams and SEC. Brady did not miss Belle Vue fixtures whilst completing fixtures in foreign leagues. If you can show me a timeline that proves this to be incorrect then fine I’ll concede, otherwise please stop making this up as fans start believing it. Anticipating radio silence. AGAIN!!😡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, hasta la vista said: Yes it does. Kurtz injured, rides for Rybnik last year and Wroclaw this year but not BV. Pickering injured the other week, didn't ride for Sheffield. Rode for Leszno. J Holder took a day off sick from Sheffield but never has for Lublin. Tungate has missed UK meetings and ridden in Poland. Missed flights etc. Doyle rode for Częstochowa before returning for Ipswich. No one else been 'injured' other than Blodorn who has missed meetings for all teams and SEC. Brady did not miss Belle Vue fixtures whilst completing fixtures in foreign leagues. If you can show me a timeline that proves this to be incorrect then fine I’ll concede, otherwise please stop making this up as fans start believing it. Anticipating radio silence. AGAIN!!😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasta la vista Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 52 minutes ago, ouch said: Brady did not miss Belle Vue fixtures whilst completing fixtures in foreign leagues. If you can show me a timeline that proves this to be incorrect then fine I’ll concede, otherwise please stop making this up as fans start believing it. Anticipating radio silence. AGAIN!!😡 To avoid a long discussion around what you believe is allowed across league matches between UK and foreign leagues... How about competing in individual events in between UK league fixtures and missing them both? Do they count or is that ok? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 36 minutes ago, hasta la vista said: To avoid a long discussion around what you believe is allowed across league matches between UK and foreign leagues... How about competing in individual events in between UK league fixtures and missing them both? Do they count or is that ok? I’ll happily discuss the new topic of Brady’s involvement in championship events once we’ve got the league topic out of the way. I’ve asked a very simple question regarding his league appearances as it was his foreign league clubs that you mentioned in your initial post and it was this that I responded to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasta la vista Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ouch said: I’ll happily discuss the new topic of Brady’s involvement in championship events once we’ve got the league topic out of the way. I’ve asked a very simple question regarding his league appearances as it was his foreign league clubs that you mentioned in your initial post and it was this that I responded to. Go on I'll let you go first.... Edited July 14 by hasta la vista 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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