M.D Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 4 hours ago, AFCB Wildcat said: I can't help feeling that may be beyond the remit of the BSPL. It would depend hugely on the willingness of the schools to participate, and I'm struggling to see why they would. A football, Hockey, tennis, rugby club etc. maybe, because it may encourage the kids to participate in these sports at school and promote physical education. Speedway though has no relevance other than being a form of entertainment. Why would schools allow someone to come in, just to promote their business to children while they are susceptible to influence? It would be like inviting the local cinema owner in to drum up trade. A stall at a fete is not a bad idea though. It's working ok for Poole, they are going around schools at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 4 hours ago, AFCB Wildcat said: I can't help feeling that may be beyond the remit of the BSPL. It would depend hugely on the willingness of the schools to participate, and I'm struggling to see why they would. A football, Hockey, tennis, rugby club etc. maybe, because it may encourage the kids to participate in these sports at school and promote physical education. Speedway though has no relevance other than being a form of entertainment. Why would schools allow someone to come in, just to promote their business to children while they are susceptible to influence? It would be like inviting the local cinema owner in to drum up trade. A stall at a fete is not a bad idea though. Schools maybe would have a problem, many parents would *^%# themselves if they thought their kids were being encouraged to take up something as dangerous as speedway. God forbid anyone did, the first time they got injured the headteacher loses their job. However, in several cities the police have projects going on trying to counter youth offending involving motorbikes in urban areas. These are the only group o people who would become safer by being involved in speedway. They probably have the right personality type to enjoy it. Speedway is a way they carry on doing what they like, but legally, more safely, in a context with supportive positive role models, with a potential job at the end of it. And it’s drug-tested, so if they abuse substances they’ll have to stop. This gets you a pipeline both for fans and riders, and improved relations with the council and potentially the neighbours if it reduces crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Comet Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 8 hours ago, tom said: Sod off back to your greyhounds forum Ha ha ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Comet Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 11 hours ago, mikebv said: Too formal, too long, too slow.... It should be 20min max, with the "bantz" between the lads as they arrive and get changed getting covered... The managers team talk and then several 5 second snippets of on track action covering the speed and closeness of the racing, with verbal and physical reactions from fans, Manager and team members as the racing happens.. With a voice over letting the viewer know of the score as the action progresses, and the names of those getting filmed, with the aim being you identify the riders, who, hopefully become recognised.. Throw in the odd 20 second soundbite from the manager, riders and a few fans, (young ones not fogey's).. "We are sh*t tonight", "He needs to sort himself out" etc, etc.. Music playing in the background . Then, post meeting quick sound bites from riders, management and fans... With an advert for the next meeting, with a request to like and subscribe... It isn't about listening to in depth interviews, and the racing snippets are just that, (quick), keeping the whole 15-20 mins short and snappy to meet the attention span of the demographic the sport so desperately needs to attract... There are dozens of examples on YT of how teams have been ultra successful in getting subscribers (and money), from their Vlogs... Speedway, given its lack of awareness from so many thousands of people in every town and city a team runs in, is perfect for such an inexpensive medium... Think youve typed yourself into a job there Mike Edited 4 hours ago by Preston Comet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 hours ago, AFCB Wildcat said: I can't help feeling that may be beyond the remit of the BSPL. It would depend hugely on the willingness of the schools to participate, and I'm struggling to see why they would. A football, Hockey, tennis, rugby club etc. maybe, because it may encourage the kids to participate in these sports at school and promote physical education. Speedway though has no relevance other than being a form of entertainment. Why would schools allow someone to come in, just to promote their business to children while they are susceptible to influence? It would be like inviting the local cinema owner in to drum up trade. A stall at a fete is not a bad idea though. You'd think that a Further Education college may be a good bet, especially those running mechanical courses, also the age of those attending the college are more the age of most of the participants in Speedway, the only problem would come is if they then thought of attending Speedway there is no pricing policy to encourage them. 1 hour ago, tom said: Schools maybe would have a problem, many parents would *^%# themselves if they thought their kids were being encouraged to take up something as dangerous as speedway. God forbid anyone did, the first time they got injured the headteacher loses their job. However, in several cities the police have projects going on trying to counter youth offending involving motorbikes in urban areas. These are the only group o people who would become safer by being involved in speedway. They probably have the right personality type to enjoy it. Speedway is a way they carry on doing what they like, but legally, more safely, in a context with supportive positive role models, with a potential job at the end of it. And it’s drug-tested, so if they abuse substances they’ll have to stop. This gets you a pipeline both for fans and riders, and improved relations with the council and potentially the neighbours if it reduces crime. There's a yoof riding round my area (and probably around everybody who reads this's area), on an electric bike, more often than not only on his back wheel down the middle of the road, always wearing a balaclava... he looks like he has potential, pulls better wheelies than most Speedway riders and obviously has no fear for his own safety, just the type of person that should be steered towards a sport like Speedway and away from whatever he's currently doing with his day (and the mind boggles at that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Comet Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, IainB said: There's a yoof riding round my area (and probably around everybody who reads this's area), on an electric bike, more often than not only on his back wheel down the middle of the road, always wearing a balaclava... he looks like he has potential, pulls better wheelies than most Speedway riders and obviously has no fear for his own safety, just the type of person that should be steered towards a sport like Speedway and away from whatever he's currently doing with his day (and the mind boggles at that) Aye, the next Garrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago Just now, Preston Comet said: Aye, the next Garrity Or the next Jesper B Jensen (Monberg)... or the many others who were heading in the wrong direction until they had something to focus on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 24 minutes ago, Preston Comet said: Think youve typed yourself into a job there Mike Far too old..... However, if they need a consultant I am quite reasonable cost wise nowadays as I am retired.... It is about awakening or re-engaging people to the existence of the sport... Fast, punchy, quick sound bites, a few controversial comments from riders, managers, fans, "this track is sh*t" etc, film the mechanics, pit staff, fans, reaction to races as they unfurl, and the end of the race, with a wrap up at the end advertising the next meeting and an invite to subscribe... Most tracks will have a college or uni nearby with media courses, where "young people", all wanting a career in audio/visual productions, could be brought in to do the filming, interviewing and editing.. And all potentially using the college/uni equipment with just a cost for expenses... "If you don't ask"... Polish TV do a very good magazine programme using similar techniques, where riders get asked two or three questions max pre meeting, races are filmed from the pits and usually all you see are long shots of first bends, and bikes whizzing past the pit crew who are on the fence, and then the bikes returning to the pits with the rider either shouting with joy, or swearing!! And then they show a few seconds of the mechanics working furiously on the bike ready for the next race whilst the rider points out what he wants.. All no more than 30 seconds spent on any moment.. Reflecting the attention span of most who watch visual media these days... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 11 hours ago, mikebv said: Too formal, too long, too slow.... It should be 20min max, with the "bantz" between the lads as they arrive and get changed getting covered... The managers team talk and then several 5 second snippets of on track action covering the speed and closeness of the racing, with verbal and physical reactions from fans, Manager and team members as the racing happens.. With a voice over letting the viewer know of the score as the action progresses, and the names of those getting filmed, with the aim being you identify the riders, who, hopefully become recognised.. Throw in the odd 20 second soundbite from the manager, riders and a few fans, (young ones not fogey's).. "We are sh*t tonight", "He needs to sort himself out" etc, etc.. Music playing in the background . Then, post meeting quick sound bites from riders, management and fans... With an advert for the next meeting, with a request to like and subscribe... It isn't about listening to in depth interviews, and the racing snippets are just that, (quick), keeping the whole 15-20 mins short and snappy to meet the attention span of the demographic the sport so desperately needs to attract... There are dozens of examples on YT of how teams have been ultra successful in getting subscribers (and money), from their Vlogs... Speedway, given its lack of awareness from so many thousands of people in every town and city a team runs in, is perfect for such an inexpensive medium... Great feedback on the content as this is something that will improve and evolve over time with input such as this. I think my attachment was one of the earlier efforts. It’s the trick or algorithm as you call it that gets us in front of newbies from the local area, as used successfully by non league football clubs, that’s the bit we need to be emulating, with your assistance. It seems to be pointless putting all these many videos up if they don’t have the reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Well, at least Northampton have achieved twice as much publicity on this Forum as any other club with two threads running.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle77 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 12 minutes ago, IainB said: Or the next Jesper B Jensen (Monberg)... or the many others who were heading in the wrong direction until they had something to focus on. How many times have we heard stories of how sport... Boxing for example... has taken someone whose life might have been heading in the wrong direction and turned them around... Why can't Speedway... which can certainly provide the adrenaline boost and excitement that many might be craving... do something similar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) Interesting articles in speedway star revealing a bit more and putting out relevant questions, too. One comment in particular stood out for me (dont recall the actual article and who wrote it). Suggesting or speculating that, should Northampton start off by losing too many matches, other promoters could/should help out. Would love to know what the author means by that, more specifically! Also, Peter Oakes's article ended by warning that Northampton can't become a 2026 repeat of Birmingham 2025 (and presumably 2014, too). A lot at stake Edited 3 hours ago by Hamish McRaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 16 minutes ago, mikebv said: Far too old..... However, if they need a consultant I am quite reasonable cost wise nowadays as I am retired.... It is about awakening or re-engaging people to the existence of the sport... Fast, punchy, quick sound bites, a few controversial comments from riders, managers, fans, "this track is sh*t" etc, film the mechanics, pit staff, fans, reaction to races as they unfurl, and the end of the race, with a wrap up at the end advertising the next meeting and an invite to subscribe... Most tracks will have a college or uni nearby with media courses, where "young people", all wanting a career in audio/visual productions, could be brought in to do the filming, interviewing and editing.. And all potentially using the college/uni equipment with just a cost for expenses... "If you don't ask"... Polish TV do a very good magazine programme using similar techniques, where riders get asked two or three questions max pre meeting, races are filmed from the pits and usually all you see are long shots of first bends, and bikes whizzing past the pit crew who are on the fence, and then the bikes returning to the pits with the rider either shouting with joy, or swearing!! And then they show a few seconds of the mechanics working furiously on the bike ready for the next race whilst the rider points out what he wants.. All no more than 30 seconds spent on any moment.. Reflecting the attention span of most who watch visual media these days... I think this is all well and good for those currently showing an interest in Speedway and it may very well show up in people's algorithm's for those that have an interest in motorcycle sports, which traditionally the sport hasn't really attracted as they can't go out and buy one of the machines to ride on the road. But only a paid ad campaign, such as the one I've been going on about for British Horse Racing, will get it shoved under peoples noses. I don't know why I keep seeing it recently as I've never shown any interest in horses on YouTube, maybe it's because I'm a resident of Leicester that have a race track or maybe everybody is seeing it, I don't really know enough about it... but I am certainly aware of British Horse Racing now 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 10 hours ago, Old Crusader said: On a personal note I regularly over the years went to Iwade and thank you for your efforts riding for us, didn't realise at the time how far you had to travel. Thank you, I’ll be coming down to iwade a couple of times this year to ride on my old bikes in some meetings that they putting on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieboyDon Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 7 hours ago, AFCB Wildcat said: I can't help feeling that may be beyond the remit of the BSPL. It would depend hugely on the willingness of the schools to participate, and I'm struggling to see why they would. A football, Hockey, tennis, rugby club etc. maybe, because it may encourage the kids to participate in these sports at school and promote physical education. Speedway though has no relevance other than being a form of entertainment. Why would schools allow someone to come in, just to promote their business to children while they are susceptible to influence? It would be like inviting the local cinema owner in to drum up trade. A stall at a fete is not a bad idea though. The schools that Poole recently visited didn't have a problem. The football team where I live have regularly visited my daughter's primary school. Why wouldn't they want to participate? Especially if you are willing to give some programme space to promoting the various events that the schools hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago I’ve told this before but it is relevent about schools, back around 20 years ago when the sport had the speedway riders association we had monthly meetings where various issues/problems/ ideas were discussed, one of the ideas was to visit schools to promote the sport and we the SRA would send 2 or 3 riders to each one(whoever lived closest to the school) as there was a bit of money in the pot we would fund the travel expenses ourselves, so come the AGM me,Craig boyce and Shane Parker sat at the table with all the promoters and told them what we would like to do except we didn’t tell them how it would be paid for and all we got back was it costs too much money and not worth doing for the cost and in a nutshell went down like a lead balloon and quickly moved on too the next subject, over the years I’ve done various promotions for different teams, been to shopping centres, rugby matches, ice hockey matches and other days and even took my bikes to the scouts one night and to a car show and still do Telford off road show every year, I don’t know how much success any of them have but to me we need to be everywhere no matter how small the presence or significance is, a lot of tiny things put together make a big thing, you do nothing you get nothing 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, norbold said: Well, at least Northampton have achieved twice as much publicity on this Forum as any other club with two threads running.... All they need now are some riders and they've cracked it.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Far too old..... However, if they need a consultant I am quite reasonable cost wise nowadays as I am retired.... It is about awakening or re-engaging people to the existence of the sport... Fast, punchy, quick sound bites, a few controversial comments from riders, managers, fans, "this track is sh*t" etc, film the mechanics, pit staff, fans, reaction to races as they unfurl, and the end of the race, with a wrap up at the end advertising the next meeting and an invite to subscribe... Most tracks will have a college or uni nearby with media courses, where "young people", all wanting a career in audio/visual productions, could be brought in to do the filming, interviewing and editing.. And all potentially using the college/uni equipment with just a cost for expenses... "If you don't ask"... Polish TV do a very good magazine programme using similar techniques, where riders get asked two or three questions max pre meeting, races are filmed from the pits and usually all you see are long shots of first bends, and bikes whizzing past the pit crew who are on the fence, and then the bikes returning to the pits with the rider either shouting with joy, or swearing!! And then they show a few seconds of the mechanics working furiously on the bike ready for the next race whilst the rider points out what he wants.. All no more than 30 seconds spent on any moment.. Reflecting the attention span of most who watch visual media these days... Good idea, I wrote on here yesterday about the Workington management visiting a local college to engage with students so a possible venture there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 39 minutes ago, topaz325 said: Good idea, I wrote on here yesterday about the Workington management visiting a local college to engage with students so a possible venture there. Is it Plymouth who have utilised local students to build their website and advertising? Young, creative thinkers and innovators, is exactly what the sport needs... And I would imagine, and hope, that their line of attack is a bit more than.. "0-60 faster than an F1 car"... "No brakes"... "It's a family sport".. Etc, etc, etc... All clichéd, unsuccessful, decades old, sound bites... Glasgow with the distribution of free tickets to existing fans to share around with family, friends, workmates etc is a great idea and seems to be working... Those who can actually promote and market Speedway do seem to do "quite well" even in today's world where so many are chasing disposable income.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 54 minutes ago Report Share Posted 54 minutes ago 2 hours ago, Eagle77 said: How many times have we heard stories of how sport... Boxing for example... has taken someone whose life might have been heading in the wrong direction and turned them around... Why can't Speedway... which can certainly provide the adrenaline boost and excitement that many might be craving... do something similar? Because it's really expensive for any individual to set up and maintain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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