dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: Would the fact we still don't know the teams riding in the play offs penalise that priority? Sweden can obviously name the teams scheduled... The play off dates would be logged in the International calender and priority established accordingly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witches1998 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago Brennan has already confirmed in a comment reply to that post that Britain would have priority as its their race night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: Would the fact we still don't know the teams riding in the play offs penalise that priority? Sweden can obviously name the teams scheduled... I don’t know, but the dates have been in the British calendar since the fixture list announced. It would be strange for Sweden to take priority because ‘it rained there first’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 3 hours ago, Gavan said: I feel it’s more devalued when a team bring in a top rider like let’s say Robert Lambert who openly criticises British speedway , for a few end of season meetings to win a league….. injuries happen and that’s what guests are for I think bringing riders in who are unattached is a much better "look" for the sport... You cannot use averages all year and then not use them just because something may not look right to some... As long as Rider A has an equal or lower average than the one he replaces then all is fair game for me... At least it makes the sport look professional and in line with other sports, and also makes it look like winning the competition has kudos, is something worth winning, and will stimulate plenty of interest!! It wouldn't take much to work an algorithm average for each level of rider from BZ down, and there would also need to be caveats such as the missing rider mustn't ride elsewhere, and be injured/ill tll the seasons end (eg like Fricke when Lambert replaced him)... If Emil got injured and missed the play offs, then Lambert, Madsen, Dudek etc would be much better "like for like" replacements than anyone from the bottom three teams, and a much more credible move for a pro sport... Wroclaw brought in Charles Wright when Tai got injured and he then subsequently got injured, which meant Wroclaw got hammered in the final, but, for the greater good of the competition, they couldn't bring a "ringer" in, which meant the status of their league stayed top level, maintaining TV and "major" sponsor involvement... UK Speedway needs to aspire to that level of professional credibility, and, somehow, find a way of achieving it... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikebv said: I think bringing riders in who are unattached is a much better "look" for the sport... You cannot use averages all year and then not use them just because something may not look right to some... As long as Rider A has an equal or lower average than the one he replaces then all is fair game for me... At least it makes the sport look professional and in line with other sports, and also makes it look like winning the competition has kudos, is something worth winning, and will stimulate plenty of interest!! It wouldn't take much to work an algorithm average for each level of rider from BZ down, and there would also need to be caveats such as the missing rider mustn't ride elsewhere, and be injured/ill tll the seasons end (eg like Fricke when Lambert replaced him)... If Emil got injured and missed the play offs, then Lambert, Madsen, Dudek etc would be much better "like for like" replacements than anyone from the bottom three teams, and a much more credible move for a pro sport... Wroclaw brought in Charles Wright when Tai got injured and he then subsequently got injured, which meant Wroclaw got hammered in the final, but, for the greater good of the competition, they couldn't bring a "ringer" in, which meant the status of their league stayed top level, maintaining TV and "major" sponsor involvement... UK Speedway needs to aspire to that level of professional credibility, and, somehow, find a way of achieving it... Back in the sands of time if the sport had been run correctly a proper squad system could have been established doing away with guests & rider replacement. While also given opportunities to more riders for track time. it didn’t happen & we now have a situation where to keep 2 leagues going 50% of the riders double up between the leagues. Totally farcical. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 minute ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Back in the sands of time if the sport had been run correctly a proper squad system could have been established doing away with guests & rider replacement. While also given opportunities to more riders for track time. it didn’t happen & we now have a situation where to keep 2 leagues going 50% of the riders double up between the leagues. Totally farcical. And yet... Year after year, the same system is allowed to continue.... Quite baffling... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 25 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Back in the sands of time if the sport had been run correctly a proper squad system could have been established doing away with guests & rider replacement. While also given opportunities to more riders for track time. it didn’t happen & we now have a situation where to keep 2 leagues going 50% of the riders double up between the leagues. Totally farcical. A squad would never be workable either would it? So clubs can build squads, how many riders is each club laying claim to that nobody else can touch? And the riders in said squads that don’t make the cut some weeks, how do they earn a living? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbend Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) Any comments about the actual meeting tomorrow.... like why is the Witches manager protecting his mate again and splitting the Emil and Dan partnership !!! Edited 6 hours ago by 2ndbend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, 2ndbend said: Any comments about the actual meeting tomorrow.... like why is the Witches manager protecting his mate again and splitting the Emil and Dan partnership !!! It'll be rained off 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, mikebv said: I think bringing riders in who are unattached is a much better "look" for the sport... You cannot use averages all year and then not use them just because something may not look right to some... As long as Rider A has an equal or lower average than the one he replaces then all is fair game for me... At least it makes the sport look professional and in line with other sports, and also makes it look like winning the competition has kudos, is something worth winning, and will stimulate plenty of interest!! It wouldn't take much to work an algorithm average for each level of rider from BZ down, and there would also need to be caveats such as the missing rider mustn't ride elsewhere, and be injured/ill tll the seasons end (eg like Fricke when Lambert replaced him)... If Emil got injured and missed the play offs, then Lambert, Madsen, Dudek etc would be much better "like for like" replacements than anyone from the bottom three teams, and a much more credible move for a pro sport... Wroclaw brought in Charles Wright when Tai got injured and he then subsequently got injured, which meant Wroclaw got hammered in the final, but, for the greater good of the competition, they couldn't bring a "ringer" in, which meant the status of their league stayed top level, maintaining TV and "major" sponsor involvement... UK Speedway needs to aspire to that level of professional credibility, and, somehow, find a way of achieving it... I don’t agree with not using a rider from a play off side unless you have raced against them Say Ipswich beat Belle Vue and then Sheffield beat Leicester then if Emil gets injured we can use Fricke rather than a mercenary for 1 meeting And I don’t believe we should use Bewley or Kurtz because we knocked them out If it’s a Belle Vue v Sheffield final and Jack Holder is injured then Sheffield can use Emil Edited 4 hours ago by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, IainB said: It'll be rained off 😁 Forecast has improved a little so may be not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 11 hours ago, IainB said: ... and you pay your £25 entrance, £4 programme and £3 parking last week to watch former World Champion Jason Doyle perform and this week you get a 6 point rider from Ippo's bitter rivals! I paid £8 entrance £2 programme and free parking to watch Jason racing for Częstochowa at gorzow on Sunday 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 10 hours ago, BluPanther said: What a meeting Thursday could have been, a fifteen heat shootout for the league title. Instead, we go into play-offs that could see a team that finished mid-table, win the title... "Could" is the key word. It could be that the Champions have already been decided, and this is just another match ... I'm not a fan of the play-offs, but they very often do lead to a 15-heat shootout for the League title, which does create excitement and some degree of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, IainB said: It'll be rained off 😁 I’ll second that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 38 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I paid £8 entrance £2 programme and free parking to watch Jason racing for Częstochowa at gorzow on Sunday Great commentary you provided about your weekend. Any tips or suggestions you can offer about arranging this type of trip would be greatly appreciated. Send me a message if you get a chance as I cannot make it this year but hopefully can fulfil the dream of going to a weekend of Polish speedway in 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 4 hours ago, Aries said: A squad would never be workable either would it? So clubs can build squads, how many riders is each club laying claim to that nobody else can touch? And the riders in said squads that don’t make the cut some weeks, how do they earn a living? It won’t work now because we are to far down the path to collapse. With the right business model back in the day it would have worked like every other pro sport that runs with a squad system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 5 hours ago, mikebv said: And yet... Year after year, the same system is allowed to continue.... Quite baffling... To be honest there isn’t any option now. To few riders to little investment over many years, no real development programme & to few opportunities to ride. The sport has gone to far down the road to failure to turn around now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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