Baldyman Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Go back a few pages and it was all over 😆 Leicester might as well pack up and go home,,, wow what a turn around that was 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 10 hours ago, Teromaafan said: Exactly. Let’s face it, Flint was lucky to get away with the incident in the first race. Having seen it a few times, there is hardly any evidence of contact from Fricke. The ref bottled it in my opinion, if in doubt favour the home team. As for heat 14, Howarth was clearly taken out (can’t go by Tatum’s comments, he was embarrassing again tonight). Just because the incident happened on the first bend, it is not an automatic restart with all four back. There was plenty of room between the two riders and Rowe drifted over and clouted Howarth. If that had happened anywhere else in the race it would never have been questioned, so why should this first bend incident be any different? Flint does not experience that kind of racing with GP riders. If that were a GP. One the rider would have stayed on and two it would classed as hard riding. Unfortunately Flint hasn't got the skill set to stay on the bike. Just look at heat 15. Holder and Ficke going at it flat no holds bar. and a wave after!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 10 hours ago, Fromafar said: 3 race wins 10pts and you still having nothing good to say.👎 1 of those was a 5-0. It was a great points scoring performance on the night and he more than did his job, but... I don't know if you were there but there was a lot of screaming under his helmet going on after his duffer races, at least twice he pulled up at the back failing to complete his final lap, still while under power, I can't help but think that these actions, maybe subconsciously, permeates through the team. He's probably had his best season in the sport, but let's face it he's 23 now and still at reserve. He's got the talent on a bike but needs to eradicate this from his game to progress 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 It seems a lot of the issues he has, is his willingness to throw the towel in as soon as the going gets tough. He's a fine rider, but with the mentality he has, It's going to be hard for him to step up the ladder. He's fortunate speedway is in such a dire state with lack of riders. Back in the day with plenty of riders to choose from, Kemp wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list. One thing a team manger or fans hated back then was when a rider was not trying. Today it seems riders at the back knock it on the head before the chequered flag on a regular basis, but Kemp has taken that to a new level imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 (edited) Listening to Stead and also Picko make the meeting about the referee is funny, Leicester could do the same so it isn’t an excuse. Picko ran two 0s in heat 13 and 15 so need to look at that more than heat 14. Funny that when Rowe hit Howarth Ollie said all four back… there was only three left at that point 😂 Also, a mention to Fricke, he rode brilliantly, and not just for himself but team riding was brilliant as well to not just run away and win races, even in 15 you could see how he tried to slow Holder down so Masters has time but Masters just wasn’t fast enough so Fricke chose to help instead of overtaking him and run off in the lead. I know it was still 4-2 but great effort from him. Edited September 19 by ShanoXtra . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, Baldyman said: Go back a few pages and it was all over 😆 Leicester might as well pack up and go home,,, wow what a turn around that was That's right, I was one of them saying that. At last some justice happened which even the home ref couldn't change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, tyler42 said: Flint does not experience that kind of racing with GP riders. If that were a GP. One the rider would have stayed on and two it would classed as hard riding. Unfortunately Flint hasn't got the skill set to stay on the bike. Just look at heat 15. Holder and Ficke going at it flat no holds bar. and a wave after!! Flint is very one dimensional on the the bike doesn’t have the manoeuvres to pass unless it’s a big blast round the outside.He is a decent gater though.IMO. He has had a good season though.Whether there is a lot of improvement in him time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulboy Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 10 hours ago, Gavan said: Watch Stead’s interview it’s comedy gold Blames the ref!!! Flint was lucky in heat one as Fricke never touched him Etheridge dropping a chain and deliberately touching the tapes Then says Rowe and Howarth was a normal first corner … not when one rider collects another lol Was good seeing him choking up though the clown I have no affinity to either side but, coming from a fan of a team with Hawkins as team manager, that did make me smile lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Just now, Fromafar said: Flint is very one dimensional on the the bike doesn’t have the manoeuvres to pass unless it’s a big blast round the outside.He is a decent gater though.IMO. He has had a good season though.Whether there is a lot of improvement in him time will tell. Riders seem to have a four to five year progression to pretty much where they end up... Not many do a "Jason Doyle" and leap from a reserve in the UK to being World Champ not too long later in his career. David Norris was another I remember being 3rd HL/Best Second String for a few years then one season becoming very much an international level rider, a level which he maintained... We do seem to hype up any young GB lad who seems to have even a modicum of talent, which must put extra pressure that isn't required on them... Riders who are actually often miles away from the level that the likes of Bewley, Lambert, Woffinden, Loram, Screen and Louis etc etc were at at a similar age ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Unless his bike has packed up then a rider shouldn’t be retiring from a race. Do the job you’re employed to do. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, paulboy said: I have no affinity to either side but, coming from a fan of a team with Hawkins as team manager, that did make me smile lol Hawkins may come across as a valve short of a cylinder, but his summaries tend to be honest and balanced. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 2 hours ago, tyler42 said: Flint does not experience that kind of racing with GP riders. If that were a GP. One the rider would have stayed on and two it would classed as hard riding. Unfortunately Flint hasn't got the skill set to stay on the bike. Just look at heat 15. Holder and Ficke going at it flat no holds bar. and a wave after!! So the ref got it wrong as the cause of the stoppage was a lack of skill by Flint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 19 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: So the ref got it wrong as the cause of the stoppage was a lack of skill by Flint... I thought it was a clean move, loads of space until Flint tried to turn in and the fact that Fricke was there unsettled him and lost control. The contact was minimal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 3 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Listening to Stead and also Picko make the meeting about the referee is funny, Leicester could do the same so it isn’t an excuse. Picko ran two 0s in heat 13 and 15 so need to look at that more than heat 14. Funny that when Rowe hit Howarth Ollie said all four back… there was only three left at that point 😂 Also, a mention to Fricke, he rode brilliantly, and not just for himself but team riding was brilliant as well to not just run away and win races, even in 15 you could see how he tried to slow Holder down so Masters has time but Masters just wasn’t fast enough so Fricke chose to help instead of overtaking him and run off in the lead. I know it was still 4-2 but great effort from him. Stead blaming the ref when things don't go the way he wanted is part of the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Leicester through easy now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 wise man once said..."do not wave your finger going over the winning line in a speedway heat 13 race, imitating you are number one, as in your next race you will look silly old man!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: So the ref got it wrong as the cause of the stoppage was a lack of skill by Flint... As I said it was a hard move, but Fricke held his line, so yes the ref got it wrong because the other was not skilful enough to stay on the bike. You see that move all the time in the GPs. Very rare to see the riders bail out. If they fell off after every hard move like last night. They would run out of time to complete the meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 55 minutes ago, tyler42 said: As I said it was a hard move, but Fricke held his line, so yes the ref got it wrong because the other was not skilful enough to stay on the bike. You see that move all the time in the GPs. Very rare to see the riders bail out. If they fell off after every hard move like last night. They would run out of time to complete the meeting. I liked Fricke's reaction to being excluded, take it on the chin and get on with the rest of the meeting. His team riding was great to see and Jack could learn a lot from him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 5 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Listening to Stead and also Picko make the meeting about the referee is funny, Leicester could do the same so it isn’t an excuse. Picko ran two 0s in heat 13 and 15 so need to look at that more than heat 14. Funny that when Rowe hit Howarth Ollie said all four back… there was only three left at that point 😂 Also, a mention to Fricke, he rode brilliantly, and not just for himself but team riding was brilliant as well to not just run away and win races, even in 15 you could see how he tried to slow Holder down so Masters has time but Masters just wasn’t fast enough so Fricke chose to help instead of overtaking him and run off in the lead. I know it was still 4-2 but great effort from him. Fricke is a class act in this country 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bump Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 3 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Leicester through easy now We only beat Sheffield by 6 last time we met. It’s gonna go down to the wire I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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