SteveLyric2 Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 4 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: musielak had an evening meal with tolley and co last week, but he didnt have another rider with him who paid?🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTopDrawer Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 18 hours ago, noaksey said: It doesn't have to be the stadium he just doesn't run the Witches. The BSPL won't deal with anyone else unless Louis authorises it It doesn't have to be the stadium being unavailable (although that is certainly the main reason for putting a licence on ice, like Swindon, Wolves, Peterborough etc), but Louis would have to show a "Force Majeure" as a reason for applying to put the licence on ice. That is an "unforeseeable, uncontrollable, event" which stops him running. I doubt that just fancying a year off counts as "Force Majeure". I think any application to put the licence on ice for no real reason would be knocked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 28 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Heard rule for 2027 is Poland plus only 1 other league like it was a few years ago. We all know Poland is where the "big" Speedway happens in terms of financial backing, prestige, top riders etc. but I'm sure the Poles are watching the potential demise of British Speedway with a very watchful eye because the overall strength or success of Speedway in general is only as strong as its weakest link. Yes the Poles do have lots of riders to fill their leagues but they also rely on riders from other countries such as the UK, Sweden and Denmark. Rumours seem to indicate that Sweden is in a similar situation to Britain where Speedway is seemingly on the decline so the Poles may find the stream of riders coming from the aforementioned countries eventually drying up. It's all well and good Poland dictating terms etc but in the future they may find themselves being the only country actively running Speedway at a top level. Their riders would have no one else to ride against except fellow countrymen! So, as I said earlier I am sure they will be watching what is currently happening with British Speedway and hopefully, with much more than just a passing interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 34 minutes ago, SteveLyric2 said: who paid?🤣 He paid twelve hundred quid.. The restaurant only wanted eighty..!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 12 minutes ago, Tinker said: It's all well and good Poland dictating terms etc but in the future they may find themselves being the only country actively running Speedway at a top level. Their riders would have no one else to ride against except fellow countrymen! would they be bothered though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 11 minutes ago, Tinker said: We all know Poland is where the "big" Speedway happens in terms of financial backing, prestige, top riders etc. but I'm sure the Poles are watching the potential demise of British Speedway with a very watchful eye because the overall strength or success of Speedway in general is only as strong as its weakest link. Yes the Poles do have lots of riders to fill their leagues but they also rely on riders from other countries such as the UK, Sweden and Denmark. Rumours seem to indicate that Sweden is in a similar situation to Britain where Speedway is seemingly on the decline so the Poles may find the stream of riders coming from the aforementioned countries eventually drying up. It's all well and good Poland dictating terms etc but in the future they may find themselves being the only country actively running Speedway at a top level. Their riders would have no one else to ride against except fellow countrymen! So, as I said earlier I am sure they will be watching what is currently happening with British Speedway and hopefully, with much more than just a passing interest. Did someone mention that over 70 riders were contesting the Polish U21 Championship? When you are laying out £1000 a point, and upwards, you will never be short of riders... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 18 minutes ago, mikebv said: Did someone mention that over 70 riders were contesting the Polish U21 Championship? When you are laying out £1000 a point, and upwards, you will never be short of riders... And providing full formal apprenticeship schemes for riders and mechanics 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 1 hour ago, therefused said: would they be bothered though? I think they should be. Speedway dying on its feet elsewhere. Do they really want to be the last country standing running Speedway? No international tournaments, no foreign riders, isolation or what? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 3 minutes ago, Tinker said: I think they should be. Speedway dying on its feet elsewhere. Do they really want to be the last country standing running Speedway? No international tournaments, no foreign riders, isolation or what? they barely support international tournaments anyway, im not sure if they would be too concerned if they were the last nation left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 3 hours ago, FAST GATER said: Hans was an an amazing rider but Bart is centainly not "way behind him" ! Tony Rikardson wasn't bad either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 3 hours ago, Tim G said: Or premiership promoters who throw out the toys when they don’t get there way. Maybe you would like to provide the £95,000 deficit out of your own pocket ? Chris hasn’t thrown out the toys imo. No threats of closure etc. purely I require a 6 team league for my business to be sustainable. That’s not possible so he is selling up as is his right to do so 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 25 minutes ago, therefused said: they barely support international tournaments anyway, im not sure if they would be too concerned if they were the last nation left. Mmm, not sure about this. I know this is worse case scenario but GP's with Polish riders only. How boring for the public and TV (if they were still interested) would that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 (edited) 51 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said: Tony Rikardson wasn't bad either. Nor was Vic Huxley, Tom Farndon, Bluey Wilkinson, Vic Duggan, Jack Young, Ove Fundin, Barry Briggs, Ivan Mauger....it's just impossible to compare riders from different eras and although it gives us fans hours of endless fun speculating, it really is an impossible task to say who was the greatest rider ever. The greatest you've actually seen maybe, but not of all time. Edited December 18 by norbold 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Tinker said: Mmm, not sure about this. I know this is worse case scenario but GP's with Polish riders only. How boring for the public and TV (if they were still interested) would that be? The FIM would never allow it even if the likes of Max Perry (choose your own rider) were allocated a GP spot, much like a decent percentage of spots were allocated to the "lesser" Speedway nations in days gone by. And if you look at the international calendar, those "lesser" nations still get allocated a decent amount of events Edited December 18 by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 8 minutes ago, IainB said: The FIM would never allow it even if the likes of Max Perry (choose your own rider) were allocated a GP spot, much like a decent percentage of spots were allocated to the "lesser" Speedway nations in days gone by. And if you look at the international calendar, those "lesser" nations still get allocated a decent amount of events I stand by what I said Mr B. If the British Speedway model fails and collapses then this is bound to have a detrimental effect on Polish Speedway. British Speedway used to be the "top gun" (not anymore of course) but if things were to fail here and possibly Sweden etc then that would surely set alarm bells ringing in Poland. Lack of overseas riders, no meaningful World Team Cup, insulation etc. Merry Christmas by the way. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 30 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Maybe you would like to provide the £95,000 deficit out of your own pocket ? Chris hasn’t thrown out the toys imo. No threats of closure etc. purely I require a 6 team league for my business to be sustainable. That’s not possible so he is selling up as is his right to do so Like when certain Ipswich fans were demanding teams moved up and were going to lose tons of money just to keep the failing premiership going? Were those Ipswich fans going to cover the costs of that team? I don’t think so, so it’s a stupid thing to say about an individual covering costs. I agree it’s his right to do but would he have been selling up if he got what he wanted? He would have been happy if we had another sacrificial lamb in the top flight. Last year’s premiership was basically a 5 team league as Oxford and Birmingham were so uncompetitive it’s not really changed that much. We even had an Ipswich fan on here having a pop at Plymouth because they didn’t win a trophy so the season was unsuccessful. That club had a great season imo as they got bigger crowds and the feel good factor returned. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tinker said: I stand by what I said Mr B. If the British Speedway model fails and collapses then this is bound to have a detrimental effect on Polish Speedway. British Speedway used to be the "top gun" (not anymore of course) but if things were to fail here and possibly Sweden etc then that would surely set alarm bells ringing in Poland. Lack of overseas riders, no meaningful World Team Cup, insulation etc. Merry Christmas by the way. 👍 I agree to an extent, but I was specifically addressing the point about a Polish only GP series, I don't think it'd ever happen And a Merry Christmas to you too 🎅 Edited December 18 by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 Read that the Polish league has just negotiated a new tv deal where all clubs will enjoy a share of something like $20 million US dollars per year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 1 hour ago, Tim G said: Like when certain Ipswich fans were demanding teams moved up and were going to lose tons of money just to keep the failing premiership going? Were those Ipswich fans going to cover the costs of that team? I don’t think so, so it’s a stupid thing to say about an individual covering costs. I agree it’s his right to do but would he have been selling up if he got what he wanted? He would have been happy if we had another sacrificial lamb in the top flight. Last year’s premiership was basically a 5 team league as Oxford and Birmingham were so uncompetitive it’s not really changed that much. We even had an Ipswich fan on here having a pop at Plymouth because they didn’t win a trophy so the season was unsuccessful. That club had a great season imo as they got bigger crowds and the feel good factor returned. It is no different to prior years when certain promoters did not get what they wanted but then you have look deeper and see what the Louis family have done for Ipswich speedway and Suffolk and understand that speedway at the top level is shot to sh..e and most astute business people would walk away given the proposed set up. The proposed Premiership is a bastardised version of the Championship with double uppers simply lining their pockets to try and maintain a living from a sport which is on it knees. The mainland European scene makes it easier for riders to ply their trade in different countries without the hassle of riding in the UK. Speedway in this country is out on a limb for so many reasons and needs to reinvent itself and stop thinking it is something it is not. Regroup and enter the international stage in five years or so but until then accept most riders are also rans and the UK needs to develop its own talent. Fans and promoters need to bite the bullet and support what is available to build for the future. Allow those who do rise to the top in British speedway ply the trade overseas where they can make an impact and if they wish to take advantage of the technical tracks in the UK let them ride but at a cost that clubs can realistically afford. No more supplementing the pension fund. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 14 hours ago, norbold said: Nor was Vic Huxley, Tom Farndon, Bluey Wilkinson, Vic Duggan, Jack Young, Ove Fundin, Barry Briggs, Ivan Mauger....it's just impossible to compare riders from different eras and although it gives us fans hours of endless fun speculating, it really is an impossible task to say who was the greatest rider ever. The greatest you've actually seen maybe, but not of all time. Fair point the one thing I would say is imagine how good Bart could be if he was a "gater " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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