Edinburgh v Scunthorpe Championship Friday 12th June 7.30pm

[JanAndersen]

5 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Seems pretty simple to me, when heat 10 came along, the Scunny team manager had decided his reserves were going better than Harrison, so saved Mountain's r/r ride till heat 14.

If he wanted to leave himself with more options could have used Mountain in heat 10, then when heat 14 came around chose between Harrison & the 2 reserves to go out.

Mind you, you could wonder why after the team manager decided the reserves were going better than Harrison, then Harrison ran a last in heat 10, why didn't he replace him in heat 12? 

As it turned out, Harrison rode better. 

But part of me feels, if you're leaving Harrison in his 4th ride hoping he'll improve, why remove the chance of a r/r outing in case he improves? 

For example had Harrison won heat 10, then also heat 12, would they want to give him heat 14, leaving Mountain without a r/r ride? 

I think I'd rather err on the side of caution, plan to give a team rider an r/r ride, then replace them in a programmed ride if necessary. 

I get all that but he didn’t have to give Mountain a r/r ride at all. After seeing ht12 I’d have had Harrison in ht14. 

[crescent girl]

This was a good, tight contest.  Those (many) doubters who put Scunny down as definite wooden-spooners must be thinking again.

However, the Scorpions were lucky to get their draw -- the astounding Heat 6 decision to exclude Dan T was very, very wrong.  A re-run with Dan it it (and Dayle out) would have given Edinburgh a narrow, but deserved, victory.    

[Mr Blobby]

Track conditions caught us out big time last night suited the likes of MPT as it was super slick. Reserves cost us big time last night failing to beat a single opposition rider. 
 

The exclusion of Dan last night is the worst refereeing decision I’ve seen in Speedway and will probably never be topped, Hope to never see Graham Hunter in charge of a Edinburgh Speedway meeting again, seen him make a couple of weird decisions before but that last night was something else. Has the guy ever watched speedway before?
 

He originally gave all 4 back then decided to exclude Dan. When asked why he said cause he flicked his wheel at him then changed his mind again and said he shoved him out the way. About time so refs started getting looked at and removed. 

[phillwhitewasmad]

In fairness Luke was pretty dross last night . We made a bad decision on set up after the rain prior to the meeting and from then on it was a chore all night. Personally I was surprised he didn't get pulled from his last ride with the meeting being close but he pulled it off, but in all honesty don't think even with that ride he did enough to warrant heat 14 . 

[edmon]

1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said:

He originally gave all 4 back then decided to exclude Dan. 

Where did you get that?

The referee consulted the video and from that decided that Dan was the cause of Dayle hitting the fence. At NO time did the referee give all 4 back.

[SPEEDY69]

Looks to have been a close meeting, Edinburgh's reserves look dreadful from the scorechart, are they? 

[Mr Blobby]

1 hour ago, edmon said:

Where did you get that?

The referee consulted the video and from that decided that Dan was the cause of Dayle hitting the fence. At NO time did the referee give all 4 back.

He told Alex on the phone. He was going to give all 4 back then seen the replay and decided to incorrectly of course exclude Dan. 

[Mr Blobby]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BGkoaiByn/?mibextid=wwXIfr 
 

the exclusion in question if anyone wants a laugh at the standard of refereeing. 

[foreverblue]

7 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BGkoaiByn/?mibextid=wwXIfr 
 

the exclusion in question if anyone wants a laugh at the standard of refereeing. 

Totally agree, ridiculous decision.

[edmon]

1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said:

He told Alex on the phone. He was going to give all 4 back then seen the replay and decided to incorrectly of course exclude Dan. 

Not what I heard and I was right next to referee

[Mr Blobby]

23 minutes ago, edmon said:

Not what I heard and I was right next to referee

It’s what Alex said. Haven’t spoken to him. 
 

Not that it matters decision was completely wrong. 

[Tim G]

2 hours ago, Mr Blobby said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BGkoaiByn/?mibextid=wwXIfr 
 

the exclusion in question if anyone wants a laugh at the standard of refereeing. 

The referee should be banned for that decision.

[Noelinho]

That’s definitely up there in the list of bad decisions!

[King Jamie]

Not the warmest of evenings (ed - what do you expect in Scottish spring time?), as Monarchs and Scunny shared the spoils.

Firstly, a huge thank you to Nick Morris. One of the best guest performances for a while. Take him out of the equation and we would've been on the wrong end of a doing.

The remainder of Team Australia were a mixed bag. Well done again to Kye and absolutely no criticism of young Loftus, who's just a wee laddie and still in his senior speedway nappies. However, the same cannot be said of Justin Sedgmen or Mitchell Cluff.

I'm sick and tired of watching Sedgmen start from gate 4 and, instead of cutting across to the inside or riding a natural line around the fence, he goes so wide he looks like he's collecting a cuppa from Mrs Campbell's tea shack before turning. The end result is a shockingly meek concession of position to an ever grateful opponent. No idea what he was doing in heat 5 either. I suspect that one will get blamed on bike problems.

And as for Cluff. It was like watching a totally different rider to the one of recent weeks. He seems very uncertain in traffic. Heat 2 was wholly unacceptable. A distinct lack of effort. Again, I suspect that will also be blamed on bike problems.

I tell you, I don't recall Jamie Luckhurst encountering too many mechanical issues during his career. Then again, he was different class. Riders nowadays simply couldn't lace his steel shoe.

Re heat 6, I reckon I was closer to Dayle Wood than DanT was. And I was standing on the home straight terracing.

Some decent races last night. For once, the Thom(p)son non-twins couldn't deliver a 5-1, as they were outpaced by Josh the liar (ed - that's a bit harsh. I hope everyone calls him Joshie from now on, just to annoy you) in heat 13. However, highlight of the night came in the next race as Nick the suave guest pulled off the move of the season as he made a molehill out of a Mountain. Heat 15 wasn't bad either, and the meeting finished with impeccable timing, just ahead of the next deluge from above.

Roll on summer speedway. And no more draws please...

[Fozzie4388]

7 hours ago, crescent girl said:

This was a good, tight contest.  Those (many) doubters who put Scunny down as definite wooden-spooners must be thinking again.

However, the Scorpions were lucky to get their draw -- the astounding Heat 6 decision to exclude Dan T was very, very wrong.  A re-run with Dan it it (and Dayle out) would have given Edinburgh a narrow, but deserved, victory.    

Not necessarily as had Thompson not been excluded the Monarchs wouldn't have been able to use Morris as a tac Sub in heat 7 replacing their dross at Reserve, so they wouldn't have got the 5-1 there.

[Fromafar]

5 hours ago, Mr Blobby said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BGkoaiByn/?mibextid=wwXIfr 
 

the exclusion in question if anyone wants a laugh at the standard of refereeing. 

Unbelievable decision.

[szkocjasid]

12 hours ago, JanAndersen said:

I get all that but he didn’t have to give Mountain a r/r ride at all. After seeing ht12 I’d have had Harrison in ht14. 

I wasn't there, but based on scores alone, Mountain deserved an r/r outing. 

[szkocjasid]

The exclusion of Dan T, is one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. No idea what the ref was thinking, even worse that he had a video replay to watch. 

As others have pointed out, Monarchs can't blame the result on that, as a Wood exclusion would mean no Morris as a tac sub in the following heat. 

Monarchs pretty disappointing not being able to win, with a guest performing far better than Paco has this season. 

Sunny now look well set for the play-offs. 

[mikebv]

19 hours ago, edmon said:

Where did you get that?

The referee consulted the video and from that decided that Dan was the cause of Dayle hitting the fence. At NO time did the referee give all 4 back.

Just watched the incident on Dan's (excellent) Vlog and it was an incredibly bad decision...

Laughable, (if you weren't Dan),...

Not a clue how any ref could exclude the rider in front, leading by some distance, when another rider behind falls off by themselves...

It would be like excluding Fricke for Zmarzlik falling off in the GP's!!!

Don't even think Specsavers would help...

And he supposedly watched the replay too?...

Edited Sunday at 05:56 AM by mikebv

[cyclone]

23 hours ago, Mr Blobby said:

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the exclusion in question if anyone wants a laugh at the standard of refereeing. 

Having watched the Same video clip of the incident that Mr Hunter came to his decision on, I'm afraid it damages the  credibility of the sport to be taken seriously unless the Speedway Control Board (Neil Vatcher perhaps?) do not public comment on this contentious decision.

The likes of Football & Rugby, etc already do this, including stating any sanctions imposed on the matchday official where it is deemed a serious error was made.

The SCB already publish sanctions on riders, so the same should apply to referees when appropriate?