Ipswich v Sheffield Thursday 16th July

[marko]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

Once upon a time, a man with two jobs repeatedly turned up for his second job just in time to start it..

And he did his second job quite well most weeks, although he didn't always spend too much time getting involved with his work mates or customers..

As he had a main job he would often leave his evening job as soon as he could, so he could get back home, as he had to be up early for his main job the next morning...

Some people didn't like him doing this...

But he wasn't bothered...

The End.. 

semi pro footballers have jobs outside, they don’t go home early, even as a sub they will come on the pitch afterwards and claps the fans for there support.

Richard never done that at Lakeside, he was a legend for us, always had time for the fans, what has changed? 

[mikebv]

10 minutes ago, marko said:

semi pro footballers have jobs outside, they don’t go home early, even as a sub they will come on the pitch afterwards and claps the fans for there support.

Richard never done that at Lakeside, he was a legend for us, always had time for the fans, what has changed? 

Is he starting his main job earlier so gets away as early as he can?..

Remember. This is a sport (in the UK), where riders can lose their jobs each season, (sometimes even during the season), for doing their job "too well"...

Therefore, I am not sure fans should expect, (or be surprised), if riders don't show any major emotional attachment to any of their (sometimes many), teams..

Nor fans be bothered if riders don't get too attached to team mates, who tomorrow may be a rival, and then the night after a team mate again, or again a rival, if either, (or even both), get guest bookings..

Personally I clear off as soon as the first rider completes Ht15 to try and get home as quick as I can, and many, many others do the same, (I would say the majority of fans there do it)....

I wonder if the riders complain that we should all stay until they have gone around on the tractor?...

[Gavan]

30 minutes ago, ouch said:

Gavan, you go on about Dan’s (trier) & Brady’s (slacker) performance around Foxhall. Could you do me a favour and look back over the last ten meetings at Foxhall involving both riders and let me know how many times Dan was the better of the two? If they have an unequal amount of rides just work out their average for that meeting to arrive at the better performer. We can then hopefully draw a line under this matter. Many thanks. 

 

See you take every comment so subjective it’s laughable

Bewley will give 110% in every meeting 

Kurtz won’t …. Didn’t call him a slacker … he is the best gater in the world and when he makes starts at Foxhall he wont be caught …. My point is if he misses the start or has a GP at the weekend he wont bust a gut and I stand by that… if he leads he wins if he doesn’t he isnt bothered and I actually don’t blame him if he has a world title to go for 2 days after riding at Foxhall 

Kurtz may well have outscored Bewley at our place it’s irrelevant in what I’m saying 

[mikebv]

3 minutes ago, Gavan said:

See you take every comment so subjective it’s laughable

Bewley will give 110% in every meeting 

Kurtz won’t …. Didn’t call him a slacker … he is the best gater in the world and when he makes starts at Foxhall he wont be caught …. My point is if he misses the start or has a GP at the weekend he wont bust a gut and I stand by that… if he leads he wins if he doesn’t he isnt bothered and I actually don’t blame him if he has a world title to go for 2 days after riding at Foxhall 

Kurtz may well have outscored Bewley at our place it’s irrelevant in what I’m saying 

No skin in the game for me, however...

I have seen Dan ride three times at Foxhall, and, from memory, eight points off five rides is the best I have seen him score, with a fair few thirds and lasts..

And none of his defeats included any "hunting down" of the rider in front or just "faiing to pass on the line" from what I remember...

[marko]

17 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Is he starting his main job earlier so gets away as early as he can?..

Remember. This is a sport (in the UK), where riders can lose their jobs each season, (sometimes even during the season), for doing their job "too well"...

Therefore, I am not sure fans should expect, (or be surprised), if riders don't show any major emotional attachment to any of their (sometimes many), teams..

Nor fans be bothered if riders don't get too attached to team mates, who tomorrow may be a rival, and then the night after a team mate again, or again a rival, if either, (or even both), get guest bookings..

Personally I clear off as soon as the first rider completes Ht15 to try and get home as quick as I can, and many, many others do the same, (I would say the majority of fans there do it)....

I wonder if the riders complain that we should all stay until they have gone around on the tractor?...

They do that at Ipswich because it’s a pain getting out afterwards, one of the biggest reasons despite that track only being 50-60 min drive for me, is why I haven’t gone since Arena packed up.

And I get your point about riders riding for so many clubs it doesn’t matter to them but for some fans, they only see or are interested in what they do when they are wearing the body colours of their team, if some fans leave early then that’s up to them, they paid to get in.

It amounts to apathy on both sides of the fence, and that is not good long term for anyone, riders or fans.

[mikebv]

1 minute ago, marko said:

They do that at Ipswich because it’s a pain getting out afterwards, one of the biggest reasons despite that track only being 50-60 min drive for me, is why I haven’t gone since Arena packed up.

And I get your point about riders riding for so many clubs it doesn’t matter to them but for some fans, they only see or are interested in what they do when they are wearing the body colours of their team, if some fans leave early then that’s up to them, they paid to get in.

It amounts to apathy on both sides of the fence, and that is not good long term for anyone, riders or fans.

100%, but the apathy is created by the feeling of the sport  just going through the motions, with no clear objective nor major rewards...

The apathy, for me, started to increase towards the end of Sky's tenure and has increased at an ever evolving pace since..

[DJC]

26 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

It's currently 37 points (technically 40, but Rising Stars can be higher than 3.00 while still at #7 for team building, i.e. Edwards at the start of this season, and continuing.

Then it's even worse as the likes of Edwards and Joe Thompson coming out of there won't get a spot next year. 

Also fear for Dan Thompson who's improving in the UK with every lap, luckily his rolling is <7 still but his actual this year is over 8 (today's Star). Similar with Kemp

[ouch]

58 minutes ago, Gavan said:

See you take every comment so subjective it’s laughable

Bewley will give 110% in every meeting 

Kurtz won’t …. Didn’t call him a slacker … he is the best gater in the world and when he makes starts at Foxhall he wont be caught …. My point is if he misses the start or has a GP at the weekend he wont bust a gut and I stand by that… if he leads he wins if he doesn’t he isnt bothered and I actually don’t blame him if he has a world title to go for 2 days after riding at Foxhall 

Kurtz may well have outscored Bewley at our place it’s irrelevant in what I’m saying 

Singling out Brady for not passing riders at Foxhall is a bit rich when every other rider in the UK is pretty much the same.  

[ouch]

58 minutes ago, Gavan said:

See you take every comment so subjective it’s laughable

Bewley will give 110% in every meeting 

Kurtz won’t …. Didn’t call him a slacker … he is the best gater in the world and when he makes starts at Foxhall he wont be caught …. My point is if he misses the start or has a GP at the weekend he wont bust a gut and I stand by that… if he leads he wins if he doesn’t he isnt bothered and I actually don’t blame him if he has a world title to go for 2 days after riding at Foxhall 

Kurtz may well have outscored Bewley at our place it’s irrelevant in what I’m saying 

Singling out Brady for not passing riders at Foxhall is a bit rich when every other rider in the UK is pretty much the same.  

[Arthur54]

3 hours ago, kevin bass said:

Most matches Lawson is one of the last to arrive and then rocks up with dirts bikes, and if he is about in the pits before the meeting he don't always bother with the track walk or parade, he may be a regular points scorer home and away but he certainly aint no team player, dunno how his attitude rubs off with the rest of the team in the pits.

 

3 hours ago, kevin bass said:

Most matches Lawson is one of the last to arrive and then rocks up with dirts bikes, and if he is about in the pits before the meeting he don't always bother with the track walk or parade, he may be a regular points scorer home and away but he certainly aint no team player, dunno how his attitude rubs off with the rest of the team in the pits.

Does most of that at Poole, but is always there for the after match interviews

[Siggytastic]

1 hour ago, ouch said:

Gavan, you go on about Dan’s (trier) & Brady’s (slacker) performance around Foxhall. Could you do me a favour and look back over the last ten meetings at Foxhall involving both riders and let me know how many times Dan was the better of the two? If they have an unequal amount of rides just work out their average for that meeting to arrive at the better performer. We can then hopefully draw a line under this matter. Many thanks. 

 

Why don't you tell us as you have obviously done it?

[CTRSports]

King 100% won't be there and unless his scores reduce massively he may even find it hard getting in somewhere else

Mayfield will be ruthless with team building for 2027, very few from this year will be back

Althought early days I can see something like

1. New Rider 8.00

2. New Foreigner 4.50

3. Brennan or Musielek 

4. Rew/Ellis 

5. Doyle

6. Rushen

7. RS

 

 

[chun]

the track has got a lot worse this year and last night's meeting was a good example.  heat leaders not being able to pass reserves even with a few laps to line them up.  mayfield need to get Wroclaws input asap.  the weather this year is perhaps a mitigating factor but the racing has been dire on the whole

[Aries]

3 minutes ago, chun said:

the track has got a lot worse this year and last night's meeting was a good example.  heat leaders not being able to pass reserves even with a few laps to line them up.  mayfield need to get Wroclaws input asap.  the weather this year is perhaps a mitigating factor but the racing has been dire on the whole

I agree although it’s a bit strange as Bob Ellis is still there doing the track as he’s always done. Musielak was busting a gut going wide trying to catch inferior riders in front of him and was actually going backwards. 

[chun]

31 minutes ago, Aries said:

I agree although it’s a bit strange as Bob Ellis is still there doing the track as he’s always done. Musielak was busting a gut going wide trying to catch inferior riders in front of him and was actually going backwards. 

maybe need to leave the inside a bit slicker and only put most of the dirt on from mid track

[ouch]

2 hours ago, Siggytastic said:

Why don't you tell us as you have obviously done it?

Once.

Give a man a fish etc.

[GeneralMelchett]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

I agree although it’s a bit strange as Bob Ellis is still there doing the track as he’s always done. Musielak was busting a gut going wide trying to catch inferior riders in front of him and was actually going backwards. 

Wasn't there last night but same for the match with the Lion's Tobi tailed off badly in the latter heats as he couldn't find anyway to pass people despite trying really hard to from what I could see!

I do think moisture in the track is tough this year due to the really warm dry weather - when did Ipswich last have any meaningful rainfall?

[GeneralMelchett]

2 hours ago, ouch said:

Singling out Brady for not passing riders at Foxhall is a bit rich when every other rider in the UK is pretty much the same.  

Just to say that whilst gate and hold on is a feature at Foxhall -  Jason was of course the master of getting past people at Foxhall - but I do recall one race with DanB where he flew past someone to claim a win -i might even have been one of Jason / Emil I would have to look it up! It was definitely mentioned on this forum post meeting as he made up a huge amount of ground to claim the pass.

[Aries]

22 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said:

Wasn't there last night but same for the match with the Lion's Tobi tailed off badly in the latter heats as he couldn't find anyway to pass people despite trying really hard to from what I could see!

I do think moisture in the track is tough this year due to the really warm dry weather - when did Ipswich last have any meaningful rainfall?

About a month ago the last rain we had here. Thunder, lightening the full works but nothing since.

19 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said:

Just to say that whilst gate and hold on is a feature at Foxhall -  Jason was of course the master of getting past people at Foxhall - but I do recall one race with DanB where he flew past someone to claim a win -i might even have been one of Jason / Emil I would have to look it up! It was definitely mentioned on this forum post meeting as he made up a huge amount of ground to claim the pass.

At the bottom of the official website there’s no end of links to these kind of races with not just Emil and Doyle making passes, but the likes of Ellis and King too. I’m not saying for one minute it’s a fantastic race track, but we DO get passing here now and again.

This move from Emil on the last bend wouldn’t happen this year for whatever reason. That outside line particularly off the fourth bend, just isn’t there.

That isn’t anything to do with shape because the track hasn’t changed, it’s all to do with prep. There’s plenty of room to race there now and Louis done a superb job widening the circuit from the old tight, narrow track.

[cowboy cookie returns?]

2 hours ago, CTRSports said:

King 100% won't be there and unless his scores reduce massively he may even find it hard getting in somewhere else

Mayfield will be ruthless with team building for 2027, very few from this year will be back

Althought early days I can see something like

1. New Rider 8.00

2. New Foreigner 4.50

3. Brennan or Musielek 

4. Rew/Ellis 

5. Doyle

6. Rushen

7. RS

 

 

I think both Musielek & Brennan will be back. Might see Rew back but other than that I think it will be new blood.

It would be crazy to let Brennan go after a poor season.