cowboy cookie returns? Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, CTRSports said: King 100% won't be there and unless his scores reduce massively he may even find it hard getting in somewhere else Mayfield will be ruthless with team building for 2027, very few from this year will be back Althought early days I can see something like 1. New Rider 8.00 2. New Foreigner 4.50 3. Brennan or Musielek 4. Rew/Ellis 5. Doyle 6. Rushen 7. RS I think both Musielek & Brennan will be back. Might see Rew back but other than that I think it will be new blood. It would be crazy to let Brennan go after a poor season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTRSports Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 21 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: I think both Musielek & Brennan will be back. Might see Rew back but other than that I think it will be new blood. It would be crazy to let Brennan go after a poor season. Much depends on the team building limit of course If they plan for a GP no.1 and we factor in that Doyle may no longer be a GP rider come next year but they fit him in at no.5 as a fan favourite, then you will likely have to choose between Musielek and Brennan - there is not a chance that you will keep both and may come down to have the lower average to aid the rest of the team building. Perhaps Brennan may also feel he may be best on a bigger track such as Sheffield or Belle Vue depending on rider movement - so many things can happen between now and then but 100% believe that there will be 3 maximum of the current Witches side back next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, mikebv said: Is he starting his main job earlier so gets away as early as he can?.. Remember. This is a sport (in the UK), where riders can lose their jobs each season, (sometimes even during the season), for doing their job "too well"... Therefore, I am not sure fans should expect, (or be surprised), if riders don't show any major emotional attachment to any of their (sometimes many), teams.. Nor fans be bothered if riders don't get too attached to team mates, who tomorrow may be a rival, and then the night after a team mate again, or again a rival, if either, (or even both), get guest bookings.. Personally I clear off as soon as the first rider completes Ht15 to try and get home as quick as I can, and many, many others do the same, (I would say the majority of fans there do it).... I wonder if the riders complain that we should all stay until they have gone around on the tractor?... 5 hours ago, mikebv said: Is he starting his main job earlier so gets away as early as he can?.. Remember. This is a sport (in the UK), where riders can lose their jobs each season, (sometimes even during the season), for doing their job "too well"... Therefore, I am not sure fans should expect, (or be surprised), if riders don't show any major emotional attachment to any of their (sometimes many), teams.. Nor fans be bothered if riders don't get too attached to team mates, who tomorrow may be a rival, and then the night after a team mate again, or again a rival, if either, (or even both), get guest bookings.. Personally I clear off as soon as the first rider completes Ht15 to try and get home as quick as I can, and many, many others do the same, (I would say the majority of fans there do it).... I wonder if the riders complain that we should all stay until they have gone around on the tractor?... This coming from a guy who only turns up for his club in the play off season. Just becuase you don’t support your club very well and expect nothing back don’t put us all in your bracket 😂 I suggest he sticks to his main job only and stops riding for Ipswich. Majority of fans I spoke to in Ipswich don’t like him and he doesn’t like the club clearly. If this was an actual job he would have been on a final warning by now for breaking multiple company policies 😀 Edited 7 hours ago by ShanoXtra . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTRSports Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 14 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: This coming from a guy who only turns up for his club in the play off season. Just becuase you don’t support your club very well and expect nothing back don’t put us all in your bracket 😂 I suggest he sticks to his main job only and stops riding for Ipswich. Majority of fans I spoke to in Ipswich don’t like him and he doesn’t like the club clearly. If this was an actual job he would have been on a final warning by now for breaking multiple company policies 😀 Most of the riders on the domestic scene don't like Lawson never mind what the actual fans think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Just now, ShanoXtra said: This coming from a guy who only turns up for his club in the play off season. Just becuase you don’t support your club very well and expect nothing back don’t put us all in your bracket 😂 I suggest he sticks to his main job only and stops riding for Ipswich. Majority of fans I spoke to an Ipswich don’t like him and he doesn’t like the club clearly. If this was an actual job he would have been in a final warning by now for breaking multiple company policies 😀 These lads are self employed, and, incredibly, can lose a contract for doing more than what was expected of them... So, for me, it's completely understandable if some do have little time for those who have contracted them.. You certainly don't have to like those you work for, or with... And many of the DU'ers are the only reason plenty of tracks exist at the level they do... Due to two tracks sharing their costs... If the DU'ers decided "it was no longer worth it", then there wouldn't be much left would there?.. "Turn up, do your job on the track, and go home".. That would be a fair expectation I would suggest . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 23 minutes ago, mikebv said: These lads are self employed, and, incredibly, can lose a contract for doing more than what was expected of them... So, for me, it's completely understandable if some do have little time for those who have contracted them.. You certainly don't have to like those you work for, or with... And many of the DU'ers are the only reason plenty of tracks exist at the level they do... Due to two tracks sharing their costs... If the DU'ers decided "it was no longer worth it", then there wouldn't be much left would there?.. "Turn up, do your job on the track, and go home".. That would be a fair expectation I would suggest . I’m not sure what you’re getting at, you do realise they are self employed when they ride in Poland to? but they dare not go against the grain for fear of losing their jobs. For him, if he only sees this a a second job, I suggest getting a second job elsewhere and not in Ipswich if you can’t show respect to the paying fans that come to watch their club. Just remember, he is a lucky boy, in Poland, and this has happened before… all points from your match are removed if you do not stay until the end and fulfil your duties. I have a theory, Lawson is crying and sad that the owners of Ipswich are all for stopping the double uppers, and this will p!ss on his parade and his easy money in the UK for 2027 onwards. He shows no respect to the club so they should show him no respect and remove him from the squad. If Ipswich didn’t take him on he wouldn’t have enough money to double up for Poole, remember that. And your last comment said “turn up, do your job and go home”. So you are agreeing then it’s not acceptable when he “turns up, doesn’t do his job, and leaves before the meeting ends”? Edited 6 hours ago by ShanoXtra . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggytastic Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, ouch said: Once. Give a man a fish etc. What you do with a fish is your business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggytastic Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago So what people are saying is that Danny is having a cracking season which will make him virtually unemployable next year? Isn't that one of the many things wrong with the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 12 minutes ago, Siggytastic said: So what people are saying is that Danny is having a cracking season which will make him virtually unemployable next year? Isn't that one of the many things wrong with the sport? That’s always been the case though. Number ones of a certain standard is a bit different. You take them even if they have little chance of increasing their averages, but from there down there’s always riders who look to have either cheap, or expensive averages. Building a winning team is all about leaving out riders who look to have maxed out their average, and employ those who have had a year below their normal level who you know are capable of much better. Brennan and King are currently good examples at opposite ends of the scale. One would be a much smarter 2027 signing than the other. You’re right though, it’s a shame the way it works and it doesn’t seem fair that a rider exceeds expectations, and then gets rewarded for that by losing his place the following year. I’m not sure what you can do though really. I think King will be in the team regardless of his average next year personally. Edited 5 hours ago by Aries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 6 hours ago, DJC said: Then it's even worse as the likes of Edwards and Joe Thompson coming out of there won't get a spot next year. Also fear for Dan Thompson who's improving in the UK with every lap, luckily his rolling is <7 still but his actual this year is over 8 (today's Star). Similar with Kemp The averages in the Star are meaningless. Keep an eye on the details available via the speedwaygb website (2016 Rider Statistics and 2026 Declarations). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggytastic Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago I have been going long enough to know that's always been the case, that doesn't make it right. That's part off the reason speedway in the UK is in the mess it's in, building down not up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago Just now, Siggytastic said: I have been going long enough to know that's always been the case, that doesn't make it right. That's part off the reason speedway in the UK is in the mess it's in, building down not up. You haven't included who you are replying to ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, ShanoXtra said: I’m not sure what you’re getting at, you do realise they are self employed when they ride in Poland to? but they dare not go against the grain for fear of losing their jobs. For him, if he only sees this a a second job, I suggest getting a second job elsewhere and not in Ipswich if you can’t show respect to the paying fans that come to watch their club. Just remember, he is a lucky boy, in Poland, and this has happened before… all points from your match are removed if you do not stay until the end and fulfil your duties. I have a theory, Lawson is crying and sad that the owners of Ipswich are all for stopping the double uppers, and this will p!ss on his parade and his easy money in the UK for 2027 onwards. He shows no respect to the club so they should show him no respect and remove him from the squad. If Ipswich didn’t take him on he wouldn’t have enough money to double up for Poole, remember that. And your last comment said “turn up, do your job and go home”. So you are agreeing then it’s not acceptable when he “turns up, doesn’t do his job, and leaves before the meeting ends”? Using UK and Polish Speedway expectations of the riders is not a valid comparison... Poland has high rewards, and with it, (quite rightly), comes high expectations as to the professionalism of its riders and officials.. Its "brand" has a value and needs protecting... The UK has a regulation which gets used from time to time called "in the interest of Speedway"... Which, basically means "we have had to make something up to get a meeting on".... Any sport that has such a thing within its operating model definitely cannot ever be taken seriously... Not by the promoters themselves, nor the fans, nor the wider media, and, I would suggest, nor all the riders.. The DU'ers are pretty much "bomb proof" due to a lack of riders of their level willing to ride over here, to fill the places the teams need filling... (And of course due to a lack of any meaningful structured UK rider development over the past few decades)... The (maybe), unpalatable truth is that these riders can pretty much do what they want given the demand for them well exceeds the supply available.. I'd hate the game before the player... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago Honestly didn't think it was possible to beat last year's massive Ben Fund collection but you wonderful generous supporters have indeed beaten it. A staggering £3368.38 was collected last night, way to go Witches🤑 On another note, just imagine how good Richard could/would have been if he cleaned and maintained his bikes/kit/van. The guy is so infuriating turning up late, kit missing, leaving early, then usually performing excellently. He could so easily have been GB team . And another note Tom last night. Heat 1 he came off track looking like he was going to burst into tears, so down he looked like he needed an arm around his shoulders, what he got was Martin Dugard setting him straight, and the loudest noise came from his mechanic (who doesn't normally say a word🤪) cheering him home in heat 13. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago (edited) Is king riding better or is the league weaker? A handful of injuries to the top headleaders has made his job a bit easier I would argue Edited 5 hours ago by chun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Siggytastic said: So what people are saying is that Danny is having a cracking season which will make him virtually unemployable next year? Isn't that one of the many things wrong with the sport? Will be unemployable for Ipswich if Mayfield are serious about winning silverware. (On the basis his average ends up around 7.50-8.00) Been fantastic this season but can Mayfield really take a chance in sacrificing a proper No.5 in order to fit Danny in based on his Foxhall form? Heats 13 and 15 on the road will be a major issue if Ipswich don't sign an out-an-out No.5 to go with a No.1 imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 39 minutes ago, chun said: Is king riding better or is the league weaker? A handful of injuries to the top headleaders has made his job a bit easier I would argue Couple of factors imo. Tom Brennan's form has led to Danny scoring more than expected on a regular basis. Also Danny's riding in the easiest race position in the 1-5 imo in a very weak PREM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 9 hours ago, mikebv said: No skin in the game for me, however... I have seen Dan ride three times at Foxhall, and, from memory, eight points off five rides is the best I have seen him score, with a fair few thirds and lasts.. And none of his defeats included any "hunting down" of the rider in front or just "faiing to pass on the line" from what I remember... 2024 Bewley got 11 and 9 and produced passes on Doyle and one majestic race passing Emil and Ellis …. I would pay good money to watch Bewley on any track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 8 hours ago, ouch said: Singling out Brady for not passing riders at Foxhall is a bit rich when every other rider in the UK is pretty much the same. Absolutely not singling him out lol … you do twist words If he misses the gate at Foxhall he doesn’t try hard that’s all I’m saying … exactly like Chris holder Bewley Pickering and Jack Holder all give it 110% …. Fricke loves Foxhall Kurtz is world class but if you ask me who I would rather watch at Foxhall it’s the other 4 above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 7 hours ago, Aries said: I agree although it’s a bit strange as Bob Ellis is still there doing the track as he’s always done. Musielak was busting a gut going wide trying to catch inferior riders in front of him and was actually going backwards. He turns the bike too hard to make an outside pass work because that scrubs off speed and he tries to go under those in front all the time - it works sometimes but not if the rider in front is on fast line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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