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Doyle isn’t exactly an angel himself, if you live by the sword........

Doyle a big girls blouse moaning about that move. I seen him do much worse anyway. overall not that bad a meeting, made good by fantastic last three races plus a few other belters.

Hard move by madsen but nothing that Doyle didn’t dish out too

All credit to Doyle for finding the setup as the night went on, but I still feel that the scoring system is....ermm....5hit. 12 race points, 1 race win during the night, but goes home with 18 GP series points.... I realise that the points system is known to all, but it just seems so inferior to recent seasons...I want to watch a meeting where every point counts and every rider is fighting for every point. Tonight we saw a perfect example of where that maybe isn't happening now...Zmarzlik v Woffinden in heat 19. In that race we saw 2 potential title contenders going head to head...Zmarzlik knew that the result was irrelevant to him. He made some effort to put pressure on Woffinden, but he certainly didn't take any risks. Would he have had the same attitude with the scoring system last year? Who knows...Maybe he would have taken more risks for that extra point or maybe he still would have raced safe for 2 points there. I don't know, but I know I watched that race with no excitement because I knew that it meant nothing to Zmarzlik or the World Championship, something that I couldn't have said last year....

Most of us agree about the points system, but we can't keep bleating about it every day. We knew what it was beforehand, so it shouldn't have been any surprise when it started throwing up these anomalies. I'm not sure whether speedway is actually unique in the way we allocate actual race points, and then carry them over to the next stage (semis and final) like we used to. The thing to remember is that the new system tends to fall in line with most other sports; the 20 heats are just used as a system to qualify riders for the semi-finals. The same as qualifying heats in athletic events, or qualifying groups for football events such as World Cup or Champions League. Once you have qualified for the next stage, what you did previously - in order to get there - doesn't matter. Oh wait, isn't that what used to happen in the good old days of the World Final? Everybody was okay with riders scraping through the qualifying rounds, and then having a couple of good races and ending up as World Champion! In fact, we apparently loved the "unpredictability" of the system, but not so much now...

Yup. Twice rides Madsen hard and cries when it's done back!

Can't really argue that, but it's not necessarily by choice... Honestly, as you go through everything in life, you do actually learn the truth that it isn't... Well, I am usually wrong on here, as I really don't know what I'm talking about. Sidney the Robin will tell you that!

Watching tonight on the YouTube world feed for the first time.. Ukraine VPN Nigel and Kelvin are truly a tremendous commentary duo... The way they keep the conversation going and bounce off each other is tremendous..

OUTSIDE gate is always a gamble after track grading when the dirt is dragged back to the inside

We are all wiser...after the event

Doyle has moved plenty over and rode across many a front wheel over the years... And nothing wrong with that in my book.. Its just best not to bitch about it when you get some in return... As it makes you look a bit mad arsed, and a soft moaning 'git' when you get it back...

I go to watch the racing...

Isn't that the case with almost every sport? And to be honest, I'm one of them. I'd rather watch an average meeting with the top boys than a 'superb' one with juniors.

Doyle has done it many times !!!

The final showed what the ruthless lads will do to win... Tai wouldn't get involved in that anymore... And that isn't a criticism... He has done more than his bit, and earned more than enough money I hope.. Top six standing on his head, but the top step now past him for me.. NB Doyley being a moaning bitch about hard riding...

Madsen should be excluded.

2 time World U21 champ, 2 time European champ, 2 time SON winner and 2 time World number 3. As you say, average on the world stage.

Terrible weekend for him!

Which is why he shouldn't let himself be seen globally as a bit of a slapped arse... He has taken a few front wheels out of commission a few times, (and fair play for doing so as it is racing.).. So... Just don't moan when you cop a bit back.. Doesnt do much for your reputation with people who respect and admire you..

That was on the very edge of fair by Madsen.

That's why Emil is top of the Polish averages. He's the best rider in the world.

OY! You're not supposed to use facts and common sense on the BSF!

As you say last years scoring system was fine as, every point counted towards your score. Can't get anything simpler. Speedway though always shoots's its self in the foot. The joker to name but one! Still thats what the rules are this year. Next year they will no doubt change it again!!!

I read somewhere, possibly here on the forum, that Lee blew Kenny Carter away in the Golden Helmet at Halifax when Carter was 'the boy' around the Shay....

THJ will probably know someone or something, but might get told off for posting stuff on here.

Which was EXACTLY the way it used to be in the days of the World Final qualification - particularly when you had 11 riders advancing from the Inter-Continental Final. Or 8 advancing from the British semis. Or... The fact is, all this negativity - and accusations of riders "not trying to win" is coming from people who I'm sure have never competed in anything. The vast majority of individuals will ALWAYS go out to win and do their best, certainly at the higher levels. It's called "pride". However, there will ALWAYS be situations where a little common sense and playing it safe will be a better option. That is nothing new, particularly in a dangerous sport like speedway...

The more I see, the more at ease I am with the new points system. I wouldn’t say I’m for it or against it, it is what it is. I don’t think it has diminished the on track action one bit. It changes the dynamic a little perhaps but it is still in a rider’s best interest to finish as high up the score chart as possible to secure the best gates for the semi-finals. It also places more emphasis on winning the meeting, which there should be. There was some good racing last night, Doyley coming good was enjoyable to see after a rough start to the GP series too. I’m enjoying two GPs back to back as well.

Viktor Trofimov jr. (alias Wiktor Trofimow in Polish writing) has optained a Polish passport. He was one of the most promising Junior speedway riders at Rivne in the Ukraine, but was signed by one of the big Polish League clubs who organised for him to get a Polish passport, so that he could ride for them as a Polish junior. Similar story as what Sparta Wroclaw did this year with the Russian junior rider Gleb Chugunov. His grandfather Viktor Trofimov sr. rode as a Soviet Union (USSR) rider. His father Vladimir Trofimov also rode as a Soviet/USSR rider until 1991 and then after the break-up of the USSR as an Ukrainian. Viktor Trofimov jr. first rode as an Ukrainian until about two or three years ago, when he obtained a Polish passport and since then rides as Wiktor Trofimow jr. for Poland.

OK. Thanks to invaluable Christian Weber I have now the full results. As iris mentioned Continental Final was held in Oberhausen and yeah, that was the one with crash of Dirtl and Kamper There were also two semifnals: in Warsaw and in Crikvenica. But the system of qualification was really weird. From Warsaw advanced 7 riders (though, some of them were replaced by other riders in the Final) and according to Christian from Crikvenica qualified only a winner - one of the Sidlo brothers, although he didn't appear at Oberhausen oval. 8 riders, including Kjell Carlsson (nominated by SVEMO) were seeded directy to Continental Final. BTW. Ridiculous case of Pole Janusz Suchecki. He advanced from Warsaw, but soon had been suspended for smuggling ... fork, pencil and cigarette case and some parts of watch... and he wasn't able to participate in Oberhausen. The bizarre end of that story is that after retiring he started a career in notorious Polish police and he was a colonel when retired from the service...

Between us in our household we have been to lots of places - The Crystal Maze Experience Warwick Castle Alton Towers Chessington Thorpe Park Legoland Sea Life Centre Music Lessons Have been working in the office and at school all through too Life is for living and we need to start getting on with it ASAP

That's it! Bring bloody minorities into it!

Lublin are going to hammer Zielona Gora, Dudek not fully fit is a nightmare. I can see Lublin overturning the bonus point. The Leszno vs Czestochowa meeting is going to be very interesting, the latter have three of the world's best riders in Doyle, Lindgren and Madsen; they will need all three to score big if they want to stand a chance.

Doyle spits his dummy and not for the first time.

Gate 4 did well in the last few heats before the semi final.

Well we got one decent race, the final. But what on Earth is Doyle whinging about? Madsen did nothing wrong. Defend or lose your position. Doyle has chopped up riders many times and cried like a baby about it. Nice to see Zmarzlik mess up on his home track to send the Poles home in silence. Suprised Lindgren is leading. Taken his opportunity and can’t argue with that. Woffinden a shadow of the rider he was a few seasons ago.

I think you mentioned that once before, John...

there is an apparent lack of strength in depth in the line up

Woffy misses gate.. Woffy rides around the inside and picks off points to minimise the impact.. Rinse and repeat... Woffy makes a gate and wins easily.. Rinse and repeat.. He seems to have lost his ability (desire?) over the past two years or so to pass anyone on the outside... Won't win the title riding like this, which will be unfortunate given he isn't too far away in 'real terms'.. Seem to have lost that extra hunger you need to be at the very top..

That's exactly what Kelvin just said. Of course it wouldn't. You just introduce the rules, and the riders would have to obey...

Don't think it matters what gate he's on around Gorzow

trouble is you have to go a long way from Newcastle town to find isolated areas. The thing about the Seimens land over the road is its just a few hundred yards from Brough so if you're getting disturbed by noise now, it'll be more or less the same.

Somerset signed Jason Doyle , a World Champion, and their crowd went up exactly zero %. True speedway fans go to watch RACING not individuals. You could argue that racing should take place if a lesser rider tries to beat a ‘ star ‘ but the names don’t mean a thing, it’s the quality of the racing that counts. A winning team also helps.

Was it ever legal ? Can remember in mid seventies riders putting a syringe of the stuff in, also think a great character of that era jack Millen got killed in a car crash which burst into flames rumoured to be caused by nitro.

Vaculik has been very disappointing for me,considering how he started the season.

Well done Doyle for leaving Zmarzlik racing room, refreshing to see.

I get the sentiment but surely if they aren't legal then the results should be expunged? When does sentiment rule over legality in sport or life in general? I guess it makes tonight even more interesting to see how those two riders fare

I still can remember the farce at Coventry with the solid block tyres they tried to bring in, and I wasn’t even there.

So then new restrictions on gatherings and the possibility of a 10pm curfew! Yet this country full of fools still believes they are acting in our best interests. Get real people and realise we are now living n a totalitarian state! Yes infections are rising but what matters is hospital admissions and more importantly deaths, which have fallen through the floor. So for those who agree with it then get your vaccination and microchip and the rest of us will continue to enjoy what freedoms left we have!

Nippy Sweetie and her cohorts rules

Undoubtedly all the crap we had from HM government in March will happen again. I just cannot believe hardly no one is challenging anything! Desmond Swayne MP just said on tv that he would expect to lose a vote on his views if their was one, however as he stated his right to have a debate and a vote is a cornerstone of democracy, worrying times ahead for all our freedoms I'm afraid.