Leaderboard

Let's be honest... The sport is proper "Donald Ducked" isnt it? Decades of using Guests at the drop of a hat, so riders got more meetings, rather than finding a way NOT to use them, and thus hugely negatively impacting the credibility of its own competitions, and making Doubling Up a fundamental part of the operating model, has resulted in too many ageing riders, with too many jobs, and not enough riders being developed to allow squad systems and "one rider, one team"... Whatever sticking plasters they apply (yet again), will then need to be removed, and something else then applied next year when/if Poland kick in their one extra league rule... The chickens have definitely come home to roost...

A five team league would certainly lose me and many other supporters at Leicester. Most of us were quite content in the championship anyways..

That’s very true, we had a father and his son come to us who had been to the motor museum, I got talking to them, the father said he hadn’t been to Speedway since he was a child, said he didn’t know what teams there were these days and he wondered where his nearest team was, I asked him where he came from and he said Derbyshire, so I pointed him in the direction of the Buxton stall, when he came back he gave me the thumbs up and said, we’re gonna give that a go.

That runs on a Friday night, that is hugely more popular with their fans than any other day or time of the week (per a recent-ish fan survey). And have plenty of rivalries, local and not so local, that they can sell to their fans, and fans can sell to potential fans. No offence intended but BV, KL, Ipswich would just be 'the opposition'. Edinburgh, Berwick and Poole on the other hand mean something more than just another match. The Facennas are ambitious in their ownership but stepping up to the Premiership before the club is ready to prop up a failing league, and losing their weekend racing against local(ish) rivals will undo all the good & very hard work the current promotion have done. Seeing the odd GP rider would not make up for what would be lost in Glasgow 'stepping up'. The difference between the leagues is pretty minimal, replace a number 7 with a number 1 and you can pretty much keep the other 6 the same but put up the price by a few quid a meeting. No speedway rider is anywhere near famous enough to make more than a tiny dent in relation to media sports coverage up here that is totally dominated by Celtic and Rangers.

What it needs more than anything else is some joined up thinking. Instead of focusing on "what's in it for me?", put together a proper business plan. Any successful business today will always have a road map setting out "where do we want to go in the next x years, where do we expect to be next year, in two years? Etc". If Speedway is serious about increasing its portfolio with sponsors, partners, and even new tv deals, that's one of the first things they will ask for before we get to the stage of exchanging bank notes. You can't just use "we don't know what's going to happen" as a cop out, as that's not what these people want to hear. Sadly, British Speedway has never been very good at dispelling the myth that it's done on the back of a cigarette packet, and nothing we've seen gives much hope of that changing anytime soon.

It seems a few are blaming Ipswich for the current impasse yet no one on here or in the wider speedway fraternity knows that for a fact. It reasonable to assume that if you have fought to build a business to a certain level that sells a product to a local audience who buy in to what is on offer you would fight to protect that format and opportunity. Each club can do the same but regional cost factors and marketing determine where a club sits in selling what is on offer to a local audience. If the current top tier want to throw money at another team to protect the format then why not take the sport back to Swindon with a track in place and underwrite the costs but that is not going to happen. As to rider availability to fill one league or two look at a mix of young up and coming British riders and those plying the trade on the European circuit (excluding Polish riders) and riders further afield where the regulations permit them to ride in the UK. It does not have to be all gloom and doom but as it stands the arguments on here as to the right or wrong way to go forward are nothing more than personal opinions from those who have no financial investment in the sport. It is always easy to tell others how to spend money. Few people know about speedway and frankly Joe Public who are outside the limited number of followers of the sport really could not give a fig about it and far too many in the UK have any knowledge about speedway or who the top riders. They are not household names. Accept that the sport in this country is a pastime that no one really cares about and it does not register on the social scale of things one must view/follow. It has had its day in the current format and needs to reinvent itself to get recognition amongst a wider audience and that is not going to happen with the current set up of club owners or the body that runs the sport.

It doesn’t look good and I don’t think we have hit the bottom of the barrel yet, maybe the bspl will realise the error of their ways, or maybe not

No just a big wind turbine 😃

If Oxford can put British Speedway First, Then so can others. If it doesn't work out after 1 Season then they can always drop back down. Scottish Derbies and Wednesday Race Night's are nothing more than excuses that are being weaponized because they simply don't even want to make an effort to try and save the Sport in this Country.

Is your surname Louis or Hawkins?

To a lesser extent, that is what happened in the Premiership last year and Birmingham and Oxford didn't survive. Speedway isn't football, there simply isn't enough money, or die hard fans, to keep the have nots afloat of they are getting thrashed every week. Seeing Zmarzlik winning 5 races by half a lap is not entertainment for most people. Look how Plymouth's crowds picked up when Scott Nicholls arrived and made them competitive.

Thing is, having read most of this thread, absolutely everyone's ideas are right. Everything & anything would work. The Big League, 2 leagues, 5-6-7 man teams, it's can all work. The problem?!? It's all doomed to fail regardless of the January outcome, simply because every single club is self-serving. None of the promoters have any inclination to have a 'All Together' 10 year plan. Any idea get squashed because the teams that swim around the bottom of the pond always throws their toys out the pram eventually & all plans gets scrapped. Unity is a must for anything to have sustainability. For me, if 'The Big League' was to come to fruition, averages need to be scrapped & all teams build sides to their means. If a side can have Zmarzlik, Lambert & Lindgren as a top 3, then so be it. It would be terrific for the fans when they travel away. If another team can only afford Masters, Batchelor & Morris as a top 3, then again, so be it. Have teams built to what clubs deem fit for themselves, not to what everyone else deems they "Can't Have."

I'd wager that for a number of away matches even in the last few years they have taken greater numbers than the total standard attendance at say Scunny,Plymouth and Workington......

Firstly just let me say I’m disgusted at the way the public is being treated by the bspl, I won't say this particular rumour because it betrays the trust of those at the coal face so to speak and they will know where it came from and wouldn’t tell me anything else, I also like to see if anyone else has heard anything along the same lines on here ,once something becomes public knowledge then I’m ok with it, what if the rumours are not true ? It spreads like wildfire and people end up with egg on their face

Ipswich dont take 2000 followers to away matches.

Good post Matt. Unfortunately they'll never put the Sport First as everything is done with a Me, Myself and I outlook.

Got to give you credit for being a Premier snob - lower order riders mean your superstars have someone to race against!!

When he makes the gate.

I’ll have to read that in my dinner hour 😁

Totally agree that if one league it would be at best at Championship level less a heat leader and a second string, replaced by two 2 point riders, The issue isnt so much the riders in the top polish league but those in the second division. This problem would only go away if they kept the fixed race nights of Monday and Thursday.

Yeah, but what a publicity stunt it was. A colleague, who I'd never heard mention speedway before, was just saying he caught that 50-word snippet in The Sun and would be buying his whole family season tickets for his local club. Another mentioned they'd heard all about his interview at Poole and had become fully converted to the shale sport as a result.

He'd answer Barry Briggs to every question

I really don't understand why some teams should "move up" for the "good of the sport"... Which basically translates into "so my team can ride on Monday or Thursday meaning I can watch some GP riders".... Why don't the Prem teams "drop down for the good of the sport"? Not enough riders? Then run in a reduced level top tier, with five rider teams, at Championship level, "for the good of the sport"? They can still do it on Mondays and Thursdays if certain teams want to.. With GP riders too, using a Championship level team average...

Lets face it, Cami Brown will continue as Tigers TM,as long as the Facennas receive money from Browns business interests. He's as good as being the longest TM in tigers history.I am not a fan of his ,never have been, he hasnt good the balls to criticise or give a kick up the backside of riders when need be. He got the job because the Promotion and Stuart Dickson had difference of opinions. Dickson is not a YES man.

Bradford were Champions and closed... Workington too.... The top tier simply isn't fit for purpose in its current guise... (Nor has it been for well over a decade)... An Aces team, riding in one league,on a Friday with the likes of Charles Wright at No1, would, for me, deliver (at least) the same level of crowd that they get on a Monday with the 2nd and 3rd best riders in the world in attendance... And would be significantly cheaper to run, thus hopefully, significantly cheaper to attend... I actually think the crowd would increase due to "no school or work" for many the next day...

Can’t see any team paying money towards any championship club to move up, they have already lost upwards of £60k before a wheel is turned with no tv money in the pot . The championship clubs seem to doing ok as it is and riding on the nights they want to and within their budget so why would they want to change it Ben Barker posted this tonight on his FB page So with all of the uncertainty about whats going on and with rules that Poland are bringing in for the 2027 season being that any1 roding in Poland can only rode in 1 other league.. surely us as British Speedway should be making in that Britain are the second league they choose! Because quite simply having 20odd meetings to me isnt appealing enough for all of these riders as they will need 2 have 2 vans 5 bikes 2/3 mechanics... where if they choose Sweden or Denmark as there second league they can run it from 1 van 3 bikes the cost are so much less having there second league in Europe... So how to we make the Australians,Swedish,Danish,German and all of the others nationalitys choose Britain as there second league? My opinion is they not going to Sweden or denmark for a huge pay cheques... there going for bike time to keep there mind and body in race mode so my solution is 1 league which will give every plenty of meetings when u include the bsn and koc and some challeng matches etc I feel if we dont act on this in this winter period we're gonna be in the same situation in 12 months time... I know some clubs think there are Better than the championship... but all but 1 club has raced in the championship or premier league as it was known.. Sorry for the boring post but I feel we need to do something to save british speedway and not just cover the crack for another season...

That's my channel... Hope you gave it a "like" 👍🏻

As previously spoken before in the squad I spoke about, the next rider announced for Stal is… Paweł Przedpełski

Except some are more equal than others

Lodz have named their team M Nowak Berntzon Z Cook D Thompson Szlauderbach Nagel Lewandowski Orgacki

Why should the current Championshio 9 get the first 9? It would defacto become GBs top league and so it should be the 9 top clubs Your solution for example would/could see the current Champions who attracted an attendance of over 6000 to the play off final and regularly attract 2000 told they have to run at NDL level There is not a single other club in the whole of the land that can even accommodate that number let alone attract it - the vast majority couldn't even accommodate the lower figure! And it's the Premiership clubs being selfish they say......

also the riders will have a lot of thinking to do, they know, you dont perform in Poland your out.in fact they have had it good over last few years being able to ride so often.

I bet when he went to put his bin out this morning that he wished he'd gone to Australia.

I can't imagine anyone being happy with a five team league.

Very good value improving year on year

If it doesn't work out after 1 season then they may not exist to drop back down i still don't understand why Poole and Glasgow should lose money to save the PL Will the other PL promoters underwrite their loses to save the sport in this country?

The whole thing about this sorry saga is the lack of information being given out.Its obvious the Championship Clubs have signed Top Riders already whatever these riders are demanding so riders must know what’s happening.For too long now the BSPA have had their”head in the sand”and this situation has developed. Someone knows what’s really happening.

It's gonna be the 2018 comets version of klindt the triple winning comets H18TORY 😁

Has it been posted on here ? I haven’t seen it. As I posted this I realised you don’t know what rumour I’m talking about and I don’t know what rumour you’re talking about 😂

Does he ride home matches?

A lot of your posts are massive assumptions. Firstly you think all non uk riders would leave the league. Secondly you think everyone will spend £30 (i dont buy a programme or a drink or pay for parking). Thirdly you've mentioned it would be a 25 point limit, which is probably a total guess. £20 for a 5 man team of something like: (using Poole as your example) Lawson Rowe Thomsen Cairns Rushen is not unreasonable.

With a couple of GTR engines under his arms? 😂 ... Another stonking investment from British Speedway

I’m back on the 360 podcast tomorrow night with Simon lambert, Stuart Robson and Andrew Bain, I will be giving my pennies worth about what I think about the dire situation we are currently in

Fine with me

Bottom line is that British Speedway at senior level is equivalent of a big boat in the middle of a lake. On one side you have Premiership promoters rowing one way, with the championship promoters sat on the other side rowing the other way. Then you have Rob Godfrey and Phil Morris sat at the tiller scratching their heads wondering why the boats going round in circles.

BBC SOUTH TODAY just featured the Tobias Thomsen announcement, including some racing and doughnuts footage. Excellent.

You're the one that is drooling. Your argument is a toddler could have guided that team (Harris, Brennan, Vissing, Tarasenko, Basso, Complin & Pijper) to the title. Cami Brown did. But with Bewley, Kurtz, Lindgren, Zmarzlik, Doyle, Kubera and Holder, Cami Brown couldn't win the Championship? So...are you trying to argue that the 2023 Tigers are better than that world select you listed??? I think you're on more drugs than Lee Complin

It all boils down to the old saying, where there is a will, there is a way, the stumbling block from what I read is there are allegedly a couple of Clubs that don't want to lose Top league status.

You clearly missed his infamous guest appearance were he was a man down, He wasn’t even finishing races straight up the pits probably embarrassed as much as we were. wouldn’t have him anywhere near Glasgow.

2 bits of news Paco Castagna stays with Landshut Mateusz Tonder joins Swietochlowice