Wroclaw GP round 9 Saturday 30th August

[mikebv]

9 hours ago, bellevueace said:

Have to disagree mate in past eras especially before the GP,s where every rider had to qualify through difficult rounds and there was far more hard riding opponents wouldnt just open the door, take out Brady theres been no competition apart from Laguta for one season. Its about opinions but the sport today is far removed from what it has been, in any sport you cant compare different times. Usyk has acheived more than Ali was he greater, could each have adapted to different eras? I think when talking about sporting greats we have to look at their particular era.

BZ, for me, would be in the Fundin, Craven, Briggs, Mauger, Olsen, Collins, Penhall, Nielsen, Trick, Gundersen, Crump,, Hancock and Pedersen pantheon of "all time greats" from the 50's onwards..

You could drop BZ into any era and he would be very, very special...

I remember ten years or so BZ being marked out as a future World Champ..

They weren't wrong were they? 

Edited 12 hours ago by mikebv

[PersonalResponsibility]

5 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

Have to disagree mate in past eras especially before the GP,s where every rider had to qualify through difficult rounds and there was far more hard riding opponents wouldnt just open the door, take out Brady theres been no competition apart from Laguta for one season. Its about opinions but the sport today is far removed from what it has been, in any sport you cant compare different times. Usyk has acheived more than Ali was he greater, could each have adapted to different eras? I think when talking about sporting greats we have to look at their particular era.

Why has there been no competition, though? Is it because Bartosz is just that much better than anyone else?

People talk about the era of Crump, Adams, Pedersen, etc. as some kind of golden age, and they were all great riders, but you could make the same argument.

Gollob only won a single world title (beating Hampel) - did he only win because he had no competition? Hancock won 2 world titles with Kasprzak and Jonsson behind him each time, hardly bulletproof.

I think it's very harsh to crab Bartosz for not having any competition when this is his 10th season as a GP regular, and he's had zero competition aside from Laguta until now? Was 3x World Champion Woffinden not competition in 2020 when he walloped him by 16 points?

[Tinker]

Lambert a real worry. Seems to have lost the plot completely and with the Speedway of Nations on the horizon worrying times ahead. 

Serious question but does he need to return to the British Speedway to sharpen himself up, he defo needs to do something!

[tyler42]

44 minutes ago, Tinker said:

Lambert a real worry. Seems to have lost the plot completely and with the Speedway of Nations on the horizon worrying times ahead. 

Serious question but does he need to return to the British Speedway to sharpen himself up, he defo needs to do something!

I think he got thrown a lifeline tonight. Fricke scored 11pts in the meeting to Lamberts 3pts, but a bit of bad luck for Fricke in the semi final, ment he only ended up with 7pts. So it's all to ride for in Vojens

[Neila]

Brady 4 wins over bartoz, come vojens, these 2 square up to each other, whose head is in the best place, especially with vojens being a totally different track to the ones in Poland, I think advantage Brady, has he he now in bartoz's head 4 finals 4 defeats 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Clearly a lot more tickets were sold than seats tonight, there were hundreds of fans standing at the back of the seats and to the annoyance of the seated in the isles too and the seats were fulll, enjoyed the GP anyway good atmosphere in the stadium, taxi back to the hotel was interesting, driver spoke Russian and polish but no English and wasn’t sure of the way and was asking me the way (well I think that’s what he was saying) and the car was making some strange noises and engine management light and air bag lights were flashing on the dash and at one point opened the door at some traffic lights and I thought he was getting out, on to Gorzow tomorrow 

[Tactical Joker]

Tram back to the pub was simples, and free for over 65's!

First time at Wroclaw but enjoyable, even if the meeting didn't match last years. The scrum to get in for the sprint was shambolic though, with ticket sales next to the Woffinden disco so no one could hear each other.

The foul language from the people running that was unpleasant too, including from a former world speedway champion. I only hope some of the youngsters didn't understand, but I am probably being naive.

Anyway all to play for in Vojens, just hope the weather doesn't spoil it. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Tactical Joker

[teijahn]

4 hours ago, IainB said:

I'm sorry but how can it be right that a rider finishing 3rd after 20 races with 11 points can not only lose out to a lower points scorer in LCQ1... but to rub salt into the wounds also LCQ2... what a Mickey Mouse sport this has become

Absolutely ridiculous, and just one of many decisions that defy sanity made by the tools in charge

How can anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together support a system where some riders are credited more points than they earned, and others less.  Just allocate points earned during heats, and for the final.

[r8gdp]

6 hours ago, teijahn said:

Absolutely ridiculous, and just one of many decisions that defy sanity made by the tools in charge

How can anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together support a system where some riders are credited more points than they earned, and others less.  Just allocate points earned during heats, and for the final.

Unfortunately we have people with no brain cell’s running the gps now 😀

[mikebv]

3 minutes ago, r8gdp said:

Unfortunately we have people with no brain cell’s running the gps now 😀

But they do have plenty of water!!!!

[topaz325]

7 hours ago, Neila said:

Brady 4 wins over bartoz, come vojens, these 2 square up to each other, whose head is in the best place, especially with vojens being a totally different track to the ones in Poland, I think advantage Brady, has he he now in bartoz's head 4 finals 4 defeats 

I think the sprint points Bart got in Wroclaw could prove costly for Kurtz at the end in Voyens

[ShanoXtra]

11 hours ago, IainB said:

And that "only 1 point" could be the difference between a gold and a silver...

If it were a tie, what decides it, do we know? (R&R?)

Super heat surely 😂😂😂

[norbold]

11 hours ago, IainB said:

And that "only 1 point" could be the difference between a gold and a silver...

If it were a tie, what decides it, do we know? (R&R?)

For it to be a tie, at least one of them would need to fail to get to the final plus the other would need to come fourth.

Edited 11 hours ago by norbold

[Fromafar]

7 hours ago, teijahn said:

Absolutely ridiculous, and just one of many decisions that defy sanity made by the tools in charge

How can anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together support a system where some riders are credited more points than they earned, and others less.  Just allocate points earned during heats, and for the final.

Thats too easy.

[Fromafar]

7 hours ago, teijahn said:

Absolutely ridiculous, and just one of many decisions that defy sanity made by the tools in charge

How can anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together support a system where some riders are credited more points than they earned, and others less.  Just allocate points earned during heats, and for the final.

Thats too easy.

[racers and royals]

7 minutes ago, norbold said:

For it to be a tie, at least one of them would need to fail to get to the final.

And plenty of scenario’s if both fail to reach the final.

[BluPanther]

Sprint points really are the biggest crock of doggy doo. Which genius came up with that idea I wonder...

[Fromafar]

9 hours ago, tyler42 said:

I think he got thrown a lifeline tonight. Fricke scored 11pts in the meeting to Lamberts 3pts, but a bit of bad luck for Fricke in the semi final, ment he only ended up with 7pts. So it's all to ride for in Vojens

He guaranteed a Wilcard.IMO. 

[IainB]

17 minutes ago, norbold said:

For it to be a tie, at least one of them would need to fail to get to the final plus the other would need to come fourth.

What if they were both to finish much lower down in the points with Kurtz 3 points higher than Zmarzlik, Kurtz 13th and Zmarzlik 16th for example, or 12th and 15th, 11th and 14th etc. etc.

[IainB]

10 hours ago, Tinker said:

Lambert a real worry. Seems to have lost the plot completely and with the Speedway of Nations on the horizon worrying times ahead. 

Serious question but does he need to return to the British Speedway to sharpen himself up, he defo needs to do something!

Hasn't Lambert just very much reverted to type? Last year was his exceptional season finishing 2nd... the sport is littered with former world number 2's.