Ipswich Witches vs Oxford Spires Thursday 7th August

[SilentLurker]

4 minutes ago, Gavan said:

There has always been big fast tracks and always been smaller technical tracks throughout the life of the sport

You can’t just expect the technical tracks to suddenly become these amazing fast tracks with many different lines and overtaking a plenty 

The bikes are more advanced now and the skill set of the riders on these machines means that many can only handle the big tracks and some meetings get ruined because of this

Smaller tracks can provide great meetings … go watch Eastbourne v Poole 1999 on you tube 

The sport isn’t dying because of the tracks it’s much deeper than that

You are sounding like someone who would lose their temper over the council changing the bin collection to a different day of week.
 

Change is inevitable in life and speedway is absolutely closing in on its last lap as a sport in this country. Change is badly needed and I believe that bigger tracks and more consistent entertaining races would massively help.

 

 

[AceBelle]

2 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

You really are hilarious - desperately trying to make points that aren't there.

watched the race i was focused on doyle didn't look once for Ellis defend it all you want but he didn't look for him !! you are the hilarious one !! come back when you have actually won the play/offs !!! 1998 last time you won top league !!

[Arthur54]

1 hour ago, Gavan said:

Poole is the worst track in the country that’s not up for debate 

But tonight our track is awful the guys are not happy 

Watching that crap tonight, it is certainly up for debate 

[Gavan]

18 minutes ago, SilentLurker said:

You are sounding like someone who would lose their temper over the council changing the bin collection to a different day of week.
 

Change is inevitable in life and speedway is absolutely closing in on its last lap as a sport in this country. Change is badly needed and I believe that bigger tracks and more consistent entertaining races would massively help.

 

 

Your last paragraph is true …. So tell me how 

[Gavan]

8 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

Watching that crap tonight, it is certainly up for debate 

Yep tonight was dreadful 

[Gavan]

17 minutes ago, AceBelle said:

watched the race i was focused on doyle didn't look once for Ellis defend it all you want but he didn't look for him !! you are the hilarious one !! come back when you have actually won the play/offs !!! 1998 last time you won top league !!

You are a strange one … 

Superheat decider Bewley clears off and leaves his team mate last 

Heat 6 of a league match and Doyle moves Kildemand over to let Ellis through 

The 2 instances are so so different it’s laughable from yourself 

And then you make yourself look even more stupid by talking about league titles ….you have lost the debate when you change the subject to another matter 

 

[SPEEDY69]

I see the usual suspects are trolling on here about the track. 

Given the expectation of a one sided affair it turned out to be a decent meeting, was a decent crowd in too, I wonder if bsn covered the second half, I didn't stay for that. 

Plenty of grip out there and Oxford (Janowski apart) gave a decent effort. Lawson always puts up a good fight and his race with Ellis was good to watch (note there was no pass but there doesn't have to be for a good race). I was impressed with Killeens win. McDiarmid improved each race and his battle with Killeen was a little hairy but he didn't back off - I was hoping for him to get the point. Kildemand was unlucky to fall with Brennan, the gap was  there. Ellis looked much better for Ipswich and Thompson is back on form at the right time. 

Edited 15 hours ago by SPEEDY69

[ShanoXtra]

1 hour ago, SilentLurker said:

You are sounding like someone who would lose their temper over the council changing the bin collection to a different day of week.
 

Change is inevitable in life and speedway is absolutely closing in on its last lap as a sport in this country. Change is badly needed and I believe that bigger tracks and more consistent entertaining races would massively help.

 

 

I think you need to actually go to Foxhall stadium and watch a meeting, you sound like someone who switched on the live stream, watched one match and now thinks they have a good idea how the track has been all season. Ipswich has some of the best racing I’ve seen this season, Ellis Doyle Emil Brennan and king all know how to run it wide and cut back when needed. The fact tonight’s track was so bad (and I agree a boring watch bearing in mind I was actually there) shows how good it has been, Doyle never walks on the track to see issues, so all Ipswich boys wanted it to be the normal Thursday night they know so they could go outside or in.

And if you want evidence as you mentioned previously I can send multiple videos from my phone confirming how good the racing has been. Only a few meetings ago Ellis came from 15m back to help in a 5-1.

[KevtheRev]

Having beaten them 2 out if 3 times on their own track is really hurting some BV supporters 

[GeneralMelchett]

52 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I see the usual suspects are trolling on here about the track. 

Given the expectation of a one sided affair it turned out to be a decent meeting, was a decent crowd in too, I wonder if bsn covered the second half, I didn't stay for that. 

Plenty of grip out there and Oxford (Janowski apart) gave a decent effort. Lawson always puts up a good fight and his race with Ellis was good to watch (note there was no pass but there doesn't have to be for a good race). I was impressed with Killeens win. McDiarmid improved each race and his battle with Killeen was a little hairy but he didn't back off - I was hoping for him to get the point. Kildemand was unlucky to fall with Brennan, the gap was  there. Ellis looked much better for Ipswich and Thompson is back on form at the right time. 

I watched the stream on BSN and admit to enjoying it - the track caused issues no doubt but there was also one or two really good races with some great overtaking moves. I shall, weather permitting, be at Foxhall next week for the visit of erm who is it again😉

Ellis had a good meeting great overtake in heat 15 too! Well done to the Cheetahs for giving it a go - got away from then after heat 8.

[bellevueace]

1 hour ago, KevtheRev said:

Having beaten them 2 out if 3 times on their own track is really hurting some BV supporters 

Only a few we deserved to lose team not as good as some think.

[Pinny]

7 hours ago, Gavan said:

You say the sport has evolved but some tracks have been around for years and some are new 

Foxhall has been Ipswich’s home for decades so please enlighten me how they can make it into a better track they can only work with what they have 

How long have we had Belle Vue , Glasgow and Workington tracks? Answer is not long they have all been purpose built and to a good standard 

Some of these great fast tracks have closed like Peterborough and Bradford 

Kings Lynn and Poole used to be good tracks but it shows you how the sport has declined as those clubs dont give a damn about their tracks , Poole in particular 

Ipswich each winter have made track changes and we have seen better racing then previous years….. tonight it’s the track prep that’s the issue 

Glasgow have been racing at the current track and stadium since 1999, so 26 years. 

[89buttons]

8 hours ago, SilentLurker said:

You are sounding like someone who would lose their temper over the council changing the bin collection to a different day of week.
 

Change is inevitable in life and speedway is absolutely closing in on its last lap as a sport in this country. Change is badly needed and I believe that bigger tracks and more consistent entertaining races would massively help.

 

 

Could you kindly put forward a big bag or two of cash to purchase the stadium from the owners then the stock car promotion, and a few more bags of cash to completely alter the stadium with a bigger stock car track and bigger speedway track more suitable? 
 

don’t necessarily disagree with the points about the suitability of the track shape but you make it sound like negligence on the Ipswich promotions part that they’re not moving with the times and making the track much bigger with zero grasp of a realistic solution.

louis has altered the track banking and shape 4-5 times over the past few years doing his best to try and improve the racing within the confines of the stock car track and while it’s still quite one dimensional when prepared well there’s opportunity to go deeper and find grip to pass last night it was pretty poorly prepared…again

stabdinng just on the exit of second bend have watched riders hitting a hole/bump mid turn 1/2 all season, can’t understand how it’s not been dealt with, frustrating for the riders and frustrating to watch week in week out, that hole was what Doyle was out on track complaining about and highlighting to Hawkins in the grade break.

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Image if speedway had drawn in decent crowds consistently & was a consistently profitable business, not subject to massive booms & busts. Ipswich would be one of the best tracks in the world.

Foxhall built as a speedway stadium in 1950 the track was what is now the stock car circuit. Unfortunately due to the sport losing popularity in the 60s speedway closed & the stocks carried on, eventually seeing the circuit covered in tarmac.

If the money was in speedway I’m sure that the current lease holders would happily have the speedway track reinstated on the outside, or the speedway would actually be able to afford to operate the stadium theirselves.

Given none of that will happen we have to make due with what we have & feel content that we have one of if not the most forward looking & professional promotions, while also enjoying the best crowds in the uk.

[Roger Jacobs]

10 hours ago, AceBelle said:

 

🎣🎣 unless you are a rider no one knows what riders do on track we can all have go but basically we don't know why ? do you think Bewley or Doyle give a dam what all the keyboard warriors say !! we all know the answer to that !! so you say one look back i say none in 4 laps of a race super team riding that he was clearly 20meters in front all the way !! 

Gibberish.

[cowboy cookie returns?]

11 hours ago, SilentLurker said:

I used to think Poole was the worst track in the country but this Ipswich track comfortably takes that accolade.

Can anybody send me a link to a good race around here? Almost every rider aside from Doyle and Emil look like complete novices wobbling round and in fairness Emil looks like he is massively struggling tonight.  

 

To be honest I didn’t see Ellis, King, Brennan,Thompson, Lawson, Kildermand, Klleen or Wright wobbling around. Edward’s & The number 4 from Oxford did struggle a bit but it certainly wasn’t wobbling around.

Plenty of criticism always thrown at the Ipswich track however plenty of riders seems happy to ride fro Ipswich & our gates are by far the healthiest in the league.

We can’t all have the council build us a shiny new stadium.

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Given that a lot thought it was going to be a whitewash I thought it was a decent meeting. 

Looks like some are riding with next year in mind. 
 

A big if but if the league structure stays the same in 2026 then Jenkins at 6 Edwards as rising star Thompson in the top 5 with one of King,Ellis or Brennan to move on. Or if rising stars are scrapped then the same top 6 with either Edward’s or Jenkins at 7.

 

[Roger Jacobs]

10 hours ago, SilentLurker said:

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Change is inevitable in life and speedway is absolutely closing in on its last lap as a sport in this country. Change is badly needed and I believe that bigger tracks and more consistent entertaining races would massively help.

You're looking at the solution from the wrong angle.  Most tracks cannot ever be changed.  It's the machinery that needs to be reined-back - last night provided another example of how these super-tuned bikes can't deal with deep and/or patchy shale. Take the edge off their power, so they don't lurch or pick up dramatically at the slightest hint of a change in surface.

[mikebv]

9 hours ago, KevtheRev said:

Having beaten them 2 out if 3 times on their own track is really hurting some BV supporters 

No surprise when Ipswich's team is made up of so many throttle jockeys...

[Youhave2minutes]

12 hours ago, SilentLurker said:

You are sounding like someone who would lose their temper over the council changing the bin collection to a different day of week.
 

Change is inevitable in life and speedway is absolutely closing in on its last lap as a sport in this country. Change is badly needed and I believe that bigger tracks and more consistent entertaining races would massively help.

 

 

Bin collection day change, oh no.