German GP Landshut Saturday 2nd May

[FAST GATER]

8 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

It’s quite ridiculous that someone who scores 6 from 5 rides could get 20pts for winning the final.🤔👎

I think the point is that it stops the usual suspects dominating the series as we know cream floats to the top, so if you introduce as much uncertainty as possible  it can yield  in an unexpected result . It's not the way I would like the series to be run as like many people I want the best rider on the night win ,in the case of this GP it should of been Bewley IMO  !

[Fromafar]

13 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

I think the point is that it stops the usual suspects dominating the series as we know cream floats to the top, so if you introduce as much uncertainty as possible  it can yield  in an unexpected result . It's not the way I would like the series to be run as like many people I want the best rider on the night win ,in the case of this GP it should of been Bewley IMO  !

 

13 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

I think the point is that it stops the usual suspects dominating the series as we know cream floats to the top, so if you introduce as much uncertainty as possible  it can yield  in an unexpected result . It's not the way I would like the series to be run as like many people I want the best rider on the night win ,in the case of this GP it should have been Bewley IMO  !

Agree with what you say, it was brought in to try to stop Bartosz winning every year😂Not really worked YET.The riders have sussed it out and ride accordingly .Woryna was worthy winner though gave it everything all night. Dan was different class on the night though.

[SPEEDY69]

On 5/2/2026 at 10:54 PM, ONTWOMINUTES said:

Well done mr woryna , not sure he'll be wc this year but what a fantastic achievement for him to win on his debut in the series like smolinski did years ago. 

The way he rides it's a bit tense, will he lose control further or stay on? I think there's a high chance he'll have a few crashes. 

[SPEEDY69]

22 hours ago, MattB said:

Must admit I'm amazed more hasn't been made of it, although given speedway's constant fear of controversy,  perhaps I shouldn't be.

I think BZ may have been starting to turn left on him but i think it makes it good to watch, talking points are what we need. 

[enotian]

3 hours ago, FAST GATER said:

I think the point is that it stops the usual suspects dominating the series as we know cream floats to the top, so if you introduce as much uncertainty as possible  it can yield  in an unexpected result . It's not the way I would like the series to be run as like many people I want the best rider on the night win ,in the case of this GP it should of been Bewley IMO  !

Wasn't it something to do with the 'them' thinking that it was too confusing when the winner of the final wasn't the top GP points scorer. Especially when compared to other motorsports.

I didn't find it confusing and prefer the old system. I don't like how finishing 2nd in one Last Chance/Semi Final scores more GP points than finishing 2nd in the other. 

Of course the new system does allow the top two heat point scorers to avoid the semi finals.

Swings and roundabouts I guess but I feel that there was more competition in each qualifying heat when every point mattered. 

[racers and royals]

2 hours ago, enotian said:

Wasn't it something to do with the 'them' thinking that it was too confusing when the winner of the final wasn't the top GP points scorer. Especially when compared to other motorsports.

I didn't find it confusing and prefer the old system. I don't like how finishing 2nd in one Last Chance/Semi Final scores more GP points than finishing 2nd in the other. 

Of course the new system does allow the top two heat point scorers to avoid the semi finals.

Swings and roundabouts I guess but I feel that there was more competition in each qualifying heat when every point mattered. 

But surely every point does count throughout the 1st 20 heats. One rider gets more points finishing 2nd in the semi than the other rider finishing 2nd in the other semi is because they finished with a better record in those 20 heats.

[FAST GATER]

8 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

But surely every point does count throughout the 1st 20 heats. One rider gets more points finishing 2nd in the semi than the other rider finishing 2nd in the other semi is because they finished with a better record in those 20 heats.

Fair point but ultimately IMO it is to stop BZ dominating the series !

[enotian]

13 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

But surely every point does count throughout the 1st 20 heats. One rider gets more points finishing 2nd in the semi than the other rider finishing 2nd in the other semi is because they finished with a better record in those 20 heats.

If you're going to use the qualifying heats to decide who comes 5th and 6th then why not just use the old system? If the current system is about awarding most points based on where you finished in the last three heats then the riders who finish 2nd in the semi's are equal 5th. Just cleaner to award both 12. They might actually have identical qualifying scores anyway.

I also think that heats 16 to 20 in particular are a dead rubber for anyone not going to make the top 10. Where in the past winning your last heat meant 3 extra points to your championship total. Now winning your last heat might get you 1 extra championship point. 

Or if you're not going to make the top two but are going to make the top ten then your last qualifying heat doesn't matter especially if there's no great advantage in gate choice or you're not getting first pick.

Doesn't really matter but I just feel that there was something riding on every heat for every rider under the old system.   

[racers and royals]

3 minutes ago, enotian said:

If you're going to use the qualifying heats to decide who comes 5th and 6th then why not just use the old system? If the current system is about awarding most points based on where you finished in the last three heats then the riders who finish 2nd in the semi's are equal 5th. Just cleaner to award both 12. They might actually have identical qualifying scores anyway.

I also think that heats 16 to 20 in particular are a dead rubber for anyone not going to make the top 10. Where in the past winning your last heat meant 3 extra points to your championship total. Now winning your last heat might get you 1 extra championship point. 

Or if you're not going to make the top two but are going to make the top ten then your last qualifying heat doesn't matter especially if there's no great advantage in gate choice or you're not getting first pick.

Doesn't really matter but I just feel that there was something riding on every heat for every rider under the old system.   

How can you say that about heats 16 to 20 ?

11th gets 6 GP points 16th 1 GP point, which is a big difference !

[enotian]

1 hour ago, FAST GATER said:

Fair point but ultimately IMO it is to stop BZ dominating the series !

If ever there was a rider who could win a semi final/last chance from the worst gate it's Zmarzlik. I don't think it disbenefits him at all.  I think in all of his title wins he'd won a good few grand finals anyway. I don't think he's ever relied on his heat scores to win a title.

As I say I think it was because they didn't like the concept of the winner of the grand final not being the top scorer on the night. 

Tbf there probably wasn't enough riding on making and winning the final in the old system. Didn't Loram win the title without winning a GP that season?

That didn't bother me as he was the best rider over the season which is what the GP series was meant to reward as opposed to the old individual one off world final where a Szczakiel could end up being World Champion the only one day ever where he was the best rider in the world.

So we've kind of gone from the jeopardy of the world champ being someone who was the best over 5 rides on one day, to a GP series which rewarded the rider who was consistently the best over the season, to this hybrid where you only have to be the best rider twice per gp across the series.